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Panos Katergiathis-5

PureData : What do you think?

Hello all

This has probably been discussed before, but what do you think about
PureData? How does it compare to Csound in terms of sound quality
(people around the net claim there are differences).

Panos

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rory walsh

Re: PureData : What do you think?

On a side note there is a discussion currently currently taking place
on the Pd list about Pd versus Max in terms of audio quality. Funnily
enough it's Csound that's mentioned most often as offering the best
sound quality(whatever that means..), but we already knew that right
:)

Rory.

On 17 April 2010 14:01, Panos Katergiathis <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello all
>
> This has probably been discussed before, but what do you think about
> PureData? How does it compare to Csound in terms of sound quality
> (people around the net claim there are differences).
>
> Panos
>
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Victor Lazzarini

Re: Re: PureData : What do you think?

I guess PureData is just as good as float Csound. Double Csound should
be better, though.
On 17 Apr 2010, at 14:16, Rory Walsh wrote:

> On a side note there is a discussion currently currently taking place
> on the Pd list about Pd versus Max in terms of audio quality. Funnily
> enough it's Csound that's mentioned most often as offering the best
> sound quality(whatever that means..), but we already knew that right
> :)
>
> Rory.
>
>
> On 17 April 2010 14:01, Panos Katergiathis <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>> Hello all
>>
>> This has probably been discussed before, but what do you think about
>> PureData? How does it compare to Csound in terms of sound quality
>> (people around the net claim there are differences).
>>
>> Panos
>>
>>
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rory walsh

Re: Re: Re: PureData : What do you think?

There's double Pd now too...

On 17 April 2010 14:25, Victor Lazzarini <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I guess PureData is just as good as float Csound. Double Csound should be
> better, though.
> On 17 Apr 2010, at 14:16, Rory Walsh wrote:
>
>> On a side note there is a discussion currently currently taking place
>> on the Pd list about Pd versus Max in terms of audio quality. Funnily
>> enough it's Csound that's mentioned most often as offering the best
>> sound quality(whatever that means..), but we already knew that right
>> :)
>>
>> Rory.
>>
>>
>> On 17 April 2010 14:01, Panos Katergiathis <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all
>>>
>>> This has probably been discussed before, but what do you think about
>>> PureData? How does it compare to Csound in terms of sound quality
>>> (people around the net claim there are differences).
>>>
>>> Panos
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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rory walsh

Re: Re: Re: PureData : What do you think?

With regards to the comments on the Pd list I think they are mostly
about the range of high quality opcodes that ship with Csound as
apposed to anything else.

On 17 April 2010 14:26, Rory Walsh <[hidden email]> wrote:

> There's double Pd now too...
>
> On 17 April 2010 14:25, Victor Lazzarini <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I guess PureData is just as good as float Csound. Double Csound should be
>> better, though.
>> On 17 Apr 2010, at 14:16, Rory Walsh wrote:
>>
>>> On a side note there is a discussion currently currently taking place
>>> on the Pd list about Pd versus Max in terms of audio quality. Funnily
>>> enough it's Csound that's mentioned most often as offering the best
>>> sound quality(whatever that means..), but we already knew that right
>>> :)
>>>
>>> Rory.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17 April 2010 14:01, Panos Katergiathis <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello all
>>>>
>>>> This has probably been discussed before, but what do you think about
>>>> PureData? How does it compare to Csound in terms of sound quality
>>>> (people around the net claim there are differences).
>>>>
>>>> Panos
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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Victor Lazzarini

Re: Re: Re: Re: PureData : What do you think?

In reply to this post by rory walsh

Is there? Is that distributed alongside PD? I don't see it on
puredata.info.
On 17 Apr 2010, at 14:26, Rory Walsh wrote:

> There's double Pd now too...
>
> On 17 April 2010 14:25, Victor Lazzarini <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>> I guess PureData is just as good as float Csound. Double Csound
>> should be
>> better, though.
>> On 17 Apr 2010, at 14:16, Rory Walsh wrote:
>>
>>> On a side note there is a discussion currently currently taking
>>> place
>>> on the Pd list about Pd versus Max in terms of audio quality.
>>> Funnily
>>> enough it's Csound that's mentioned most often as offering the best
>>> sound quality(whatever that means..), but we already knew that right
>>> :)
>>>
>>> Rory.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17 April 2010 14:01, Panos Katergiathis <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello all
>>>>
>>>> This has probably been discussed before, but what do you think
>>>> about
>>>> PureData? How does it compare to Csound in terms of sound quality
>>>> (people around the net claim there are differences).
>>>>
>>>> Panos
>>>>
>>>>
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Stefan Thomas-2

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: PureData : What do you think?

Sorry for my question, but: what is Double Csound?

2010/4/17 Victor Lazzarini <[hidden email]>

Is there? Is that distributed alongside PD? I don't see it on puredata.info.

On 17 Apr 2010, at 14:26, Rory Walsh wrote:

There's double Pd now too...

On 17 April 2010 14:25, Victor Lazzarini <[hidden email]> wrote:

I guess PureData is just as good as float Csound. Double Csound should be
better, though.
On 17 Apr 2010, at 14:16, Rory Walsh wrote:

On a side note there is a discussion currently currently taking place
on the Pd list about Pd versus Max in terms of audio quality. Funnily
enough it's Csound that's mentioned most often as offering the best
sound quality(whatever that means..), but we already knew that right
:)

Rory.

On 17 April 2010 14:01, Panos Katergiathis <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hello all

This has probably been discussed before, but what do you think about
PureData? How does it compare to Csound in terms of sound quality
(people around the net claim there are differences).

Panos

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jpff

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: PureData : What do you think?

> Sorry for my question, but: what is Double Csound?
>

All calculations in double precision -- typically 64bit IEEE format

Michael has demonstrated that is gives higher audio qualoty that 32bit
single precision, but a little slower and a little more memory

==John ff

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Malte Steiner

Re: PureData : What do you think?

In reply to this post by Panos Katergiathis-5

On 17.04.2010 15:01, Panos Katergiathis wrote:
> Hello all
>
> This has probably been discussed before, but what do you think about
> PureData? How does it compare to Csound in terms of sound quality
> (people around the net claim there are differences).
>
I use both since the late 90s. As you can imagine its totally different
approach creating your sound and composition, Pure Data as a graphical
modular synth and Csound with its instrument definitions and score
sequencer which reminds me on trackers (which came later, after Csound).
Different approach gives different results. For me PDs way of sending
data from one unit to another is very intuitive, in Csound I have a
harder time to figure out when something happen and on which rate. In PD
I like the additional video and 3D objects but because these are third
party objects its difficult to get all of them running, often objects
are missing or refuse to get compiled. The GUI and the soundprocess is
not so separated as it should be, although they are actually two
programs running, resulting in clicks when you make to much in the GUI
while heavy processing is going on. Its because graphic information (TK
code!) is sent through the (local) network connection between both
applications, the gui and the engine. A design mistake which hopefully
gets corrected sometime.

In CSound I like the high quality audio objects, and when compiled with
the usage of doubles the sound is really one of the best of all
softwaresystems. At the moment I am implementing a live performance
application totally in CSound, even the GUI is made with the included
FLTK units.

PD is great for media artists while CSound is to be preferred for music
and sound design.

Cheers,

Malte

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rory walsh

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: PureData : What do you think?

In reply to this post by Victor Lazzarini

From what I recall I don't think it's available as a binary but there
is talk of compiling a doubles version oneself on the Pd list.

On 17 April 2010 14:51, Victor Lazzarini <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Is there? Is that distributed alongside PD? I don't see it on puredata.info.
> On 17 Apr 2010, at 14:26, Rory Walsh wrote:
>
>> There's double Pd now too...
>>
>> On 17 April 2010 14:25, Victor Lazzarini <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I guess PureData is just as good as float Csound. Double Csound should be
>>> better, though.
>>> On 17 Apr 2010, at 14:16, Rory Walsh wrote:
>>>
>>>> On a side note there is a discussion currently currently taking place
>>>> on the Pd list about Pd versus Max in terms of audio quality. Funnily
>>>> enough it's Csound that's mentioned most often as offering the best
>>>> sound quality(whatever that means..), but we already knew that right
>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>> Rory.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 17 April 2010 14:01, Panos Katergiathis <[hidden email]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello all
>>>>>
>>>>> This has probably been discussed before, but what do you think about
>>>>> PureData? How does it compare to Csound in terms of sound quality
>>>>> (people around the net claim there are differences).
>>>>>
>>>>> Panos
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Victor Lazzarini

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: PureData : What do you think?

Well, then you can't really say 'there's double Pd too', since it's
not widely available. Also, as we know from Csound, plugins need to be
compiled for double precision too, and the whole thing needs to be
tested to make sure it works, because the assumption of 32-bit floats
can have wide-raging implications that a switch to double brings to
the fore,
so bugs can creep in. Have they done all this? If yes, then there is
double Pd. If no, there isn't.

Victor

On 18 Apr 2010, at 16:11, Rory Walsh wrote:

> From what I recall I don't think it's available as a binary but there
> is talk of compiling a doubles version oneself on the Pd list.
>
>
>
> On 17 April 2010 14:51, Victor Lazzarini <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>> Is there? Is that distributed alongside PD? I don't see it on
>> puredata.info.
>> On 17 Apr 2010, at 14:26, Rory Walsh wrote:
>>
>>> There's double Pd now too...
>>>
>>> On 17 April 2010 14:25, Victor Lazzarini
>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I guess PureData is just as good as float Csound. Double Csound
>>>> should be
>>>> better, though.
>>>> On 17 Apr 2010, at 14:16, Rory Walsh wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On a side note there is a discussion currently currently taking
>>>>> place
>>>>> on the Pd list about Pd versus Max in terms of audio quality.
>>>>> Funnily
>>>>> enough it's Csound that's mentioned most often as offering the
>>>>> best
>>>>> sound quality(whatever that means..), but we already knew that
>>>>> right
>>>>> :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Rory.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 17 April 2010 14:01, Panos Katergiathis <[hidden email]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello all
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This has probably been discussed before, but what do you think
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> PureData? How does it compare to Csound in terms of sound quality
>>>>>> (people around the net claim there are differences).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Panos
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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rory walsh

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: PureData : What do you think?

Well no, I guess you're right, but it is perhaps something that will
become available in the not so distant future. Point taken.

On 18 April 2010 18:16, Victor Lazzarini <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Well, then you can't really say 'there's double Pd too', since it's not
> widely available. Also, as we know from Csound, plugins need to be compiled
> for double precision too, and the whole thing needs to be tested to make
> sure it works, because the assumption of 32-bit floats can have wide-raging
> implications that a switch to double brings to the fore,
> so bugs can creep in. Have they done all this? If yes, then there is double
> Pd. If no, there isn't.
>
> Victor
>
> On 18 Apr 2010, at 16:11, Rory Walsh wrote:
>
>> From what I recall I don't think it's available as a binary but there
>> is talk of compiling a doubles version oneself on the Pd list.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 17 April 2010 14:51, Victor Lazzarini <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Is there? Is that distributed alongside PD? I don't see it on
>>> puredata.info.
>>> On 17 Apr 2010, at 14:26, Rory Walsh wrote:
>>>
>>>> There's double Pd now too...
>>>>
>>>> On 17 April 2010 14:25, Victor Lazzarini <[hidden email]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess PureData is just as good as float Csound. Double Csound should
>>>>> be
>>>>> better, though.
>>>>> On 17 Apr 2010, at 14:16, Rory Walsh wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On a side note there is a discussion currently currently taking place
>>>>>> on the Pd list about Pd versus Max in terms of audio quality. Funnily
>>>>>> enough it's Csound that's mentioned most often as offering the best
>>>>>> sound quality(whatever that means..), but we already knew that right
>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rory.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 17 April 2010 14:01, Panos Katergiathis <[hidden email]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello all
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This has probably been discussed before, but what do you think about
>>>>>>> PureData? How does it compare to Csound in terms of sound quality
>>>>>>> (people around the net claim there are differences).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Panos
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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Jacob Joaquin

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: PureData : What do you think?

> Well no, I guess you're right, but it is perhaps something that will
> become available in the not so distant future. Point taken.

I imagine that it's only a matter of time before most audio software
migrates to double precision. Whether were talking computer music
systems, commercial software, or home-brewed open source projects.

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Panos Katergiathis-5

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: PureData : What do you think?

Abandoned open source projects will be excluded, though.
I find it always a challenge, trying to predict which current
music-software project will still be alive after a few years.

Panos

On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Jacob Joaquin <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I imagine that it's only a matter of time before most audio software
> migrates to double precision. Whether were talking computer music
> systems, commercial software, or home-brewed open source projects.

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peiman

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: PureData : What do you think?

In reply to this post by Jacob Joaquin

Not to mention that pd is essentially geared towards real-time
performance so many processes would be virtually impossible with
double precision, at least on most systems. The beauty of csound is
that you can use float for real-time performance and double for
rendering to disc in non-real-time.

Best,

Peiman

On 18 Apr 2010, at 18:46, Jacob Joaquin wrote:

>> Well no, I guess you're right, but it is perhaps something that will
>> become available in the not so distant future. Point taken.
>
> I imagine that it's only a matter of time before most audio software
> migrates to double precision. Whether were talking computer music
> systems, commercial software, or home-brewed open source projects.
>
> Best,
> Jake
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Felipe Sateler

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: PureData : What do you think?

On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 14:05, Peiman Khosravi <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Not to mention that pd is essentially geared towards real-time performance
> so many processes would be virtually impossible with double precision, at
> least on most systems. The beauty of csound is that you can use float for
> real-time performance and double for rendering to disc in non-real-time.

My tests suggest that on modern hardware (64bit CPUs), floats are not
faster than doubles.

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Victor Lazzarini

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: PureData : What do you think?

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Csound was first public-released in 1986, Csound 5 in 2006. 24 years
and still going strong, and we can run some Music 11 code in it from
the 1970s.

Victor
On 18 Apr 2010, at 19:02, Panos Katergiathis wrote:

> Abandoned open source projects will be excluded, though.
> I find it always a challenge, trying to predict which current
> music-software project will still be alive after a few years.
>
> Panos
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Jacob Joaquin
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I imagine that it's only a matter of time before most audio software
>> migrates to double precision. Whether were talking computer music
>> systems, commercial software, or home-brewed open source projects.
>
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peiman

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: PureData : What do you think?

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I have only tested with 32bit CPUs which includes all mac machines
right?

On 18 Apr 2010, at 19:45, Felipe Sateler wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 14:05, Peiman Khosravi <[hidden email]
> > wrote:
>> Not to mention that pd is essentially geared towards real-time
>> performance
>> so many processes would be virtually impossible with double
>> precision, at
>> least on most systems. The beauty of csound is that you can use
>> float for
>> real-time performance and double for rendering to disc in non-real-
>> time.
>
> My tests suggest that on modern hardware (64bit CPUs), floats are not
> faster than doubles.
>
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> Saludos,
> Felipe Sateler
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jpff

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: PureData : What do you think?

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> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 14:05, Peiman Khosravi <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> My tests suggest that on modern hardware (64bit CPUs), floats are not
> faster than doubles.
>

which is why I have stopped building a float version for 64bit Linux

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Felipe Sateler

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: PureData : What do you think?

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Modern macs are 64bit, I think. G5 onwards, if I'm not mistaken.

On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 14:52, Peiman Khosravi <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I have only tested with 32bit CPUs which includes all mac machines right?
>
> On 18 Apr 2010, at 19:45, Felipe Sateler wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 14:05, Peiman Khosravi <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Not to mention that pd is essentially geared towards real-time
>>> performance
>>> so many processes would be virtually impossible with double precision, at
>>> least on most systems. The beauty of csound is that you can use float for
>>> real-time performance and double for rendering to disc in non-real-time.
>>
>> My tests suggest that on modern hardware (64bit CPUs), floats are not
>> faster than doubles.
>>
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>>
>> Saludos,
>> Felipe Sateler
>>
>>
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