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[Csnd] rtaudio

Oeyvind Brandtsegg-3
Hi,

it has been some times since I rendered on the command line, but now it seems I need to specify -+rtaudio="mme" to enable audio out to dac. Is this by design, or something odd with my system?
Tested on 6.11, and also on 6.10

Not really a problem to add this option in my files, but would allow for better crossplatform csds if it could be avoided.

all best
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Re: [Csnd] rtaudio

jpff
Not sure if/when this changed but the default would seem to be PortAudio
except on Linux where it is alsa.

That is from just reading the code as I set rtaudio in .csiund6rc so do ot
use any default.


On Wed, 15 Aug 2018, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote:

> Hi,
> it has been some times since I rendered on the command line, but now it seems
> I need to specify -+rtaudio="mme" to enable audio out to dac. Is this by
> design, or something odd with my system?
> Tested on 6.11, and also on 6.10
>
> Not really a problem to add this option in my files, but would allow for
> better crossplatform csds if it could be avoided.
>
> all best
> Oeyvind
>
> --
>
> Oeyvind Brandtsegg
> Professor of Music Technology
> NTNU
> 7491 Trondheim
> Norway
> Cell: +47 92 203 205
>
> http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
> http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
> http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
> http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
> http://flyndresang.no/
> http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>  
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Re: [Csnd] rtaudio

Oeyvind Brandtsegg-3
Actually, 
if I use -odac without any rtaudio option, it says 
rtaudio: PortAudio module enabled ...
so you are correct,
but I get no sound, and no list if audio devices.
I tried using -odac99 to provoke an error and geet the list of devies that portaudio can access, but nothing appears.
Csound keeps working for the duration of the score, so some kind of realtime processing is going on, but it is a mystery where the sound goes.
If I use -+rtaudio"mme" I get the sound and also the list of audio devices. Just not with portaudio.


Den tor. 23. aug. 2018 kl. 17:54 skrev jpff <[hidden email]>:
Not sure if/when this changed but the default would seem to be PortAudio
except on Linux where it is alsa.

That is from just reading the code as I set rtaudio in .csiund6rc so do ot
use any default.


On Wed, 15 Aug 2018, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote:

> Hi,
> it has been some times since I rendered on the command line, but now it seems
> I need to specify -+rtaudio="mme" to enable audio out to dac. Is this by
> design, or something odd with my system?
> Tested on 6.11, and also on 6.10
>
> Not really a problem to add this option in my files, but would allow for
> better crossplatform csds if it could be avoided.
>
> all best
> Oeyvind
>
> --
>
> Oeyvind Brandtsegg
> Professor of Music Technology
> NTNU
> 7491 Trondheim
> Norway
> Cell: +47 92 203 205
>
> http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
> http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
> http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
> http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
> http://flyndresang.no/
> http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>  
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Re: [Csnd] rtaudio

Victor Lazzarini-2
Looks like a problem with portaudio on your system. MME is the old windows audio subsystem, which would
give you high latency.
========================
Prof. Victor Lazzarini
Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
Maynooth University,
Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
Tel: 00 353 7086936
Fax: 00 353 1 7086952

> On 24 Aug 2018, at 12:18, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Actually,
> if I use -odac without any rtaudio option, it says
> rtaudio: PortAudio module enabled ...
> so you are correct,
> but I get no sound, and no list if audio devices.
> I tried using -odac99 to provoke an error and geet the list of devies that portaudio can access, but nothing appears.
> Csound keeps working for the duration of the score, so some kind of realtime processing is going on, but it is a mystery where the sound goes.
> If I use -+rtaudio"mme" I get the sound and also the list of audio devices. Just not with portaudio.
>
>
> Den tor. 23. aug. 2018 kl. 17:54 skrev jpff <[hidden email]>:
> Not sure if/when this changed but the default would seem to be PortAudio
> except on Linux where it is alsa.
>
> That is from just reading the code as I set rtaudio in .csiund6rc so do ot
> use any default.
>
>
> On Wed, 15 Aug 2018, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > it has been some times since I rendered on the command line, but now it seems
> > I need to specify -+rtaudio="mme" to enable audio out to dac. Is this by
> > design, or something odd with my system?
> > Tested on 6.11, and also on 6.10
> >
> > Not really a problem to add this option in my files, but would allow for
> > better crossplatform csds if it could be avoided.
> >
> > all best
> > Oeyvind
> >
> > --
> >
> > Oeyvind Brandtsegg
> > Professor of Music Technology
> > NTNU
> > 7491 Trondheim
> > Norway
> > Cell: +47 92 203 205
> >
> > http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
> > http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
> > http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
> > http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
> > http://flyndresang.no/
> > http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
> >  
> > Csound mailing list [hidden email]
> > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
> > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can
> > be posted here
> >
>
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>
> --
>
> Oeyvind Brandtsegg
> Professor of Music Technology
> NTNU
> 7491 Trondheim
> Norway
> Cell: +47 92 203 205
>
> http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
> http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
> http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
> http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
> http://flyndresang.no/
> http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>  
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Re: [Csnd] rtaudio

Steven Yi
I have a Windows computer where I just did a fresh install of
dependencies and compiled Csound.  It's using Portaudio and working
okay.

Oeyvind: Is this a self-compile or are you using one built on
AppVeyor? (or a release build?)
On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 11:58 AM Victor Lazzarini
<[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Looks like a problem with portaudio on your system. MME is the old windows audio subsystem, which would
> give you high latency.
> ========================
> Prof. Victor Lazzarini
> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
> Maynooth University,
> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
> Tel: 00 353 7086936
> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>
> > On 24 Aug 2018, at 12:18, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Actually,
> > if I use -odac without any rtaudio option, it says
> > rtaudio: PortAudio module enabled ...
> > so you are correct,
> > but I get no sound, and no list if audio devices.
> > I tried using -odac99 to provoke an error and geet the list of devies that portaudio can access, but nothing appears.
> > Csound keeps working for the duration of the score, so some kind of realtime processing is going on, but it is a mystery where the sound goes.
> > If I use -+rtaudio"mme" I get the sound and also the list of audio devices. Just not with portaudio.
> >
> >
> > Den tor. 23. aug. 2018 kl. 17:54 skrev jpff <[hidden email]>:
> > Not sure if/when this changed but the default would seem to be PortAudio
> > except on Linux where it is alsa.
> >
> > That is from just reading the code as I set rtaudio in .csiund6rc so do ot
> > use any default.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 15 Aug 2018, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > > it has been some times since I rendered on the command line, but now it seems
> > > I need to specify -+rtaudio="mme" to enable audio out to dac. Is this by
> > > design, or something odd with my system?
> > > Tested on 6.11, and also on 6.10
> > >
> > > Not really a problem to add this option in my files, but would allow for
> > > better crossplatform csds if it could be avoided.
> > >
> > > all best
> > > Oeyvind
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Oeyvind Brandtsegg
> > > Professor of Music Technology
> > > NTNU
> > > 7491 Trondheim
> > > Norway
> > > Cell: +47 92 203 205
> > >
> > > http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
> > > http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
> > > http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
> > > http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
> > > http://flyndresang.no/
> > > http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
> > >
> > > Csound mailing list [hidden email]
> > > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
> > > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can
> > > be posted here
> > >
> >
> > Csound mailing list
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> > Send bugs reports to
> >         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
> > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Oeyvind Brandtsegg
> > Professor of Music Technology
> > NTNU
> > 7491 Trondheim
> > Norway
> > Cell: +47 92 203 205
> >
> > http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
> > http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
> > http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
> > http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
> > http://flyndresang.no/
> > http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
> >
> > Csound mailing list [hidden email] https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>
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Re: [Csnd] rtaudio

Oeyvind Brandtsegg-3

Den fre. 24. aug. 2018 kl. 21:19 skrev Steven Yi <[hidden email]>:
I have a Windows computer where I just did a fresh install of
dependencies and compiled Csound.  It's using Portaudio and working
okay.

Oeyvind: Is this a self-compile or are you using one built on
AppVeyor? (or a release build?)
On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 11:58 AM Victor Lazzarini
<[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Looks like a problem with portaudio on your system. MME is the old windows audio subsystem, which would
> give you high latency.
> ========================
> Prof. Victor Lazzarini
> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
> Maynooth University,
> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
> Tel: 00 353 7086936
> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>
> > On 24 Aug 2018, at 12:18, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Actually,
> > if I use -odac without any rtaudio option, it says
> > rtaudio: PortAudio module enabled ...
> > so you are correct,
> > but I get no sound, and no list if audio devices.
> > I tried using -odac99 to provoke an error and geet the list of devies that portaudio can access, but nothing appears.
> > Csound keeps working for the duration of the score, so some kind of realtime processing is going on, but it is a mystery where the sound goes.
> > If I use -+rtaudio"mme" I get the sound and also the list of audio devices. Just not with portaudio.
> >
> >
> > Den tor. 23. aug. 2018 kl. 17:54 skrev jpff <[hidden email]>:
> > Not sure if/when this changed but the default would seem to be PortAudio
> > except on Linux where it is alsa.
> >
> > That is from just reading the code as I set rtaudio in .csiund6rc so do ot
> > use any default.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 15 Aug 2018, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > > it has been some times since I rendered on the command line, but now it seems
> > > I need to specify -+rtaudio="mme" to enable audio out to dac. Is this by
> > > design, or something odd with my system?
> > > Tested on 6.11, and also on 6.10
> > >
> > > Not really a problem to add this option in my files, but would allow for
> > > better crossplatform csds if it could be avoided.
> > >
> > > all best
> > > Oeyvind
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Oeyvind Brandtsegg
> > > Professor of Music Technology
> > > NTNU
> > > 7491 Trondheim
> > > Norway
> > > Cell: +47 92 203 205
> > >
> > > http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
> > > http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
> > > http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
> > > http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
> > > http://flyndresang.no/
> > > http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
> > >
> > > Csound mailing list [hidden email]
> > > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
> > > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can
> > > be posted here
> > >
> >
> > Csound mailing list
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> > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
> > Send bugs reports to
> >         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
> > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Oeyvind Brandtsegg
> > Professor of Music Technology
> > NTNU
> > 7491 Trondheim
> > Norway
> > Cell: +47 92 203 205
> >
> > http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
> > http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
> > http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
> > http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
> > http://flyndresang.no/
> > http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
> >
> > Csound mailing list [hidden email] https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>
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Re: [Csnd] rtaudio

Steven Yi
6.10 and 6.11 both were compiled with MSVC rather than MINGW. I'm
wondering if you by chance installed over a previous < 6.10 install
and if there's some mixing of dll's?

One thing to check is what you get when running:

csound --devices

It could be that the device you are using is not the one you are
expecting?  This happens to me when an ASIO device gets selected and
ASIO4ALL is set to output to something like "Speakers" which isn't
hooked up at the moment.  (That sounds strange, but seems to be what I
remember happening.)

If that doesn't provide any new information, you could try:

1. Removing csound completely and reinstalling from the 6.11 installer
2. Try using one of the newer develop builds on AppVeyor, such as at:

https://ci.appveyor.com/project/csound/csound/build/6.11.1918/artifacts


On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 5:42 PM Oeyvind Brandtsegg
<[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Hi, thanks for looking into it.
> I tested with the binary from this link
> https://github.com/csound/csound/releases/download/6.11.0/Csound6.11.0-Windows_x64-installer.exe
> on
> https://csound.com/download.html
>
>
> Den fre. 24. aug. 2018 kl. 21:19 skrev Steven Yi <[hidden email]>:
>>
>> I have a Windows computer where I just did a fresh install of
>> dependencies and compiled Csound.  It's using Portaudio and working
>> okay.
>>
>> Oeyvind: Is this a self-compile or are you using one built on
>> AppVeyor? (or a release build?)
>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 11:58 AM Victor Lazzarini
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Looks like a problem with portaudio on your system. MME is the old windows audio subsystem, which would
>> > give you high latency.
>> > ========================
>> > Prof. Victor Lazzarini
>> > Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
>> > Maynooth University,
>> > Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>> > Tel: 00 353 7086936
>> > Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>> >
>> > > On 24 Aug 2018, at 12:18, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Actually,
>> > > if I use -odac without any rtaudio option, it says
>> > > rtaudio: PortAudio module enabled ...
>> > > so you are correct,
>> > > but I get no sound, and no list if audio devices.
>> > > I tried using -odac99 to provoke an error and geet the list of devies that portaudio can access, but nothing appears.
>> > > Csound keeps working for the duration of the score, so some kind of realtime processing is going on, but it is a mystery where the sound goes.
>> > > If I use -+rtaudio"mme" I get the sound and also the list of audio devices. Just not with portaudio.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Den tor. 23. aug. 2018 kl. 17:54 skrev jpff <[hidden email]>:
>> > > Not sure if/when this changed but the default would seem to be PortAudio
>> > > except on Linux where it is alsa.
>> > >
>> > > That is from just reading the code as I set rtaudio in .csiund6rc so do ot
>> > > use any default.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, 15 Aug 2018, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hi,
>> > > > it has been some times since I rendered on the command line, but now it seems
>> > > > I need to specify -+rtaudio="mme" to enable audio out to dac. Is this by
>> > > > design, or something odd with my system?
>> > > > Tested on 6.11, and also on 6.10
>> > > >
>> > > > Not really a problem to add this option in my files, but would allow for
>> > > > better crossplatform csds if it could be avoided.
>> > > >
>> > > > all best
>> > > > Oeyvind
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > >
>> > > > Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> > > > Professor of Music Technology
>> > > > NTNU
>> > > > 7491 Trondheim
>> > > > Norway
>> > > > Cell: +47 92 203 205
>> > > >
>> > > > http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>> > > > http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>> > > > http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>> > > > http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>> > > > http://flyndresang.no/
>> > > > http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>> > > >
>> > > > Csound mailing list [hidden email]
>> > > > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
>> > > > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can
>> > > > be posted here
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > Csound mailing list
>> > > [hidden email]
>> > > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> > > Send bugs reports to
>> > >         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> > > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > > Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> > > Professor of Music Technology
>> > > NTNU
>> > > 7491 Trondheim
>> > > Norway
>> > > Cell: +47 92 203 205
>> > >
>> > > http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>> > > http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>> > > http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>> > > http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>> > > http://flyndresang.no/
>> > > http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>> > >
>> > > Csound mailing list [hidden email] https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> >
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>> > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
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>> >         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>
>> Csound mailing list
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>> Send bugs reports to
>>         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>
>
>
> --
>
> Oeyvind Brandtsegg
> Professor of Music Technology
> NTNU
> 7491 Trondheim
> Norway
> Cell: +47 92 203 205
>
> http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
> http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
> http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
> http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
> http://flyndresang.no/
> http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>
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Re: [Csnd] rtaudio

Oeyvind Brandtsegg-3
Hm, I am coming back to this as I have not yet been able to solve it.
I can not use portaudio for realtime i/o, only mme

It appears similar in 6.11 and 6.12.
One thing I notice is that rtpa.dll and rtwinmm.dll are located in /plugins64, not it /bin as I would have expected.
In /bin there is a portaudio_x64.dll

* if I delete the rtpa.dll from /plugins64 and try to run a sime csd with -odac, I get: 
unknown rtaudio module: 'PortAudio', using dummy module
rtaudio: dummy module enabled
- this suggests that the portaudio i/o is loaded from /plugins64, and wildly guessing that the portaudio file under /bin does nothing useful?

* if I move the rtpa.dll file to /bin I get the same error.
Should it really be located in /plugins64? I was under the impression that only plugin opcodes would go there(?).

Just trying to poke at why this is not working.
I think I can rule out that there is a conflicting version of portaudio somewhere on my system, since portaudio can not be found if I delete the rtpa.dll frpom /plugins64

Oeyvind

Den lør. 25. aug. 2018 kl. 09:02 skrev Steven Yi <[hidden email]>:
6.10 and 6.11 both were compiled with MSVC rather than MINGW. I'm
wondering if you by chance installed over a previous < 6.10 install
and if there's some mixing of dll's?

One thing to check is what you get when running:

csound --devices

It could be that the device you are using is not the one you are
expecting?  This happens to me when an ASIO device gets selected and
ASIO4ALL is set to output to something like "Speakers" which isn't
hooked up at the moment.  (That sounds strange, but seems to be what I
remember happening.)

If that doesn't provide any new information, you could try:

1. Removing csound completely and reinstalling from the 6.11 installer
2. Try using one of the newer develop builds on AppVeyor, such as at:

https://ci.appveyor.com/project/csound/csound/build/6.11.1918/artifacts


On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 5:42 PM Oeyvind Brandtsegg
<[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi, thanks for looking into it.
> I tested with the binary from this link
> https://github.com/csound/csound/releases/download/6.11.0/Csound6.11.0-Windows_x64-installer.exe
> on
> https://csound.com/download.html
>
>
> Den fre. 24. aug. 2018 kl. 21:19 skrev Steven Yi <[hidden email]>:
>>
>> I have a Windows computer where I just did a fresh install of
>> dependencies and compiled Csound.  It's using Portaudio and working
>> okay.
>>
>> Oeyvind: Is this a self-compile or are you using one built on
>> AppVeyor? (or a release build?)
>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 11:58 AM Victor Lazzarini
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Looks like a problem with portaudio on your system. MME is the old windows audio subsystem, which would
>> > give you high latency.
>> > ========================
>> > Prof. Victor Lazzarini
>> > Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
>> > Maynooth University,
>> > Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>> > Tel: 00 353 7086936
>> > Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>> >
>> > > On 24 Aug 2018, at 12:18, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Actually,
>> > > if I use -odac without any rtaudio option, it says
>> > > rtaudio: PortAudio module enabled ...
>> > > so you are correct,
>> > > but I get no sound, and no list if audio devices.
>> > > I tried using -odac99 to provoke an error and geet the list of devies that portaudio can access, but nothing appears.
>> > > Csound keeps working for the duration of the score, so some kind of realtime processing is going on, but it is a mystery where the sound goes.
>> > > If I use -+rtaudio"mme" I get the sound and also the list of audio devices. Just not with portaudio.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Den tor. 23. aug. 2018 kl. 17:54 skrev jpff <[hidden email]>:
>> > > Not sure if/when this changed but the default would seem to be PortAudio
>> > > except on Linux where it is alsa.
>> > >
>> > > That is from just reading the code as I set rtaudio in .csiund6rc so do ot
>> > > use any default.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, 15 Aug 2018, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hi,
>> > > > it has been some times since I rendered on the command line, but now it seems
>> > > > I need to specify -+rtaudio="mme" to enable audio out to dac. Is this by
>> > > > design, or something odd with my system?
>> > > > Tested on 6.11, and also on 6.10
>> > > >
>> > > > Not really a problem to add this option in my files, but would allow for
>> > > > better crossplatform csds if it could be avoided.
>> > > >
>> > > > all best
>> > > > Oeyvind
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > >
>> > > > Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> > > > Professor of Music Technology
>> > > > NTNU
>> > > > 7491 Trondheim
>> > > > Norway
>> > > > Cell: +47 92 203 205
>> > > >
>> > > > http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>> > > > http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>> > > > http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>> > > > http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>> > > > http://flyndresang.no/
>> > > > http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>> > > >
>> > > > Csound mailing list [hidden email]
>> > > > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
>> > > > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can
>> > > > be posted here
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > Csound mailing list
>> > > [hidden email]
>> > > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> > > Send bugs reports to
>> > >         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> > > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > > Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> > > Professor of Music Technology
>> > > NTNU
>> > > 7491 Trondheim
>> > > Norway
>> > > Cell: +47 92 203 205
>> > >
>> > > http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>> > > http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>> > > http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>> > > http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>> > > http://flyndresang.no/
>> > > http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>> > >
>> > > Csound mailing list [hidden email] https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> >
>> > Csound mailing list
>> > [hidden email]
>> > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> > Send bugs reports to
>> >         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>
>> Csound mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> Send bugs reports to
>>         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>
>
>
> --
>
> Oeyvind Brandtsegg
> Professor of Music Technology
> NTNU
> 7491 Trondheim
> Norway
> Cell: +47 92 203 205
>
> http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
> http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
> http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
> http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
> http://flyndresang.no/
> http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>
> Csound mailing list [hidden email] https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

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Re: [Csnd] rtaudio

Oeyvind Brandtsegg-3
Also, if I run csound --devices I get
D:\Projects\efx_experiments>csound  --devices
time resolution is 364.672 ns
0dBFS level = 32768.0
--Csound version 6.12 beta (double samples) Oct 24 2018
[commit: 037becccce26dc9ebc37198a75877e817431d978]
libsndfile-1.0.29pre1
rtaudio: PortAudio module enabled ...
using callback interface
rtmidi: PortMIDI module enabled

(then nothing more, just the command prompt again)



Den man. 3. des. 2018 kl. 21:39 skrev Oeyvind Brandtsegg <[hidden email]>:
Hm, I am coming back to this as I have not yet been able to solve it.
I can not use portaudio for realtime i/o, only mme

It appears similar in 6.11 and 6.12.
One thing I notice is that rtpa.dll and rtwinmm.dll are located in /plugins64, not it /bin as I would have expected.
In /bin there is a portaudio_x64.dll

* if I delete the rtpa.dll from /plugins64 and try to run a sime csd with -odac, I get: 
unknown rtaudio module: 'PortAudio', using dummy module
rtaudio: dummy module enabled
- this suggests that the portaudio i/o is loaded from /plugins64, and wildly guessing that the portaudio file under /bin does nothing useful?

* if I move the rtpa.dll file to /bin I get the same error.
Should it really be located in /plugins64? I was under the impression that only plugin opcodes would go there(?).

Just trying to poke at why this is not working.
I think I can rule out that there is a conflicting version of portaudio somewhere on my system, since portaudio can not be found if I delete the rtpa.dll frpom /plugins64

Oeyvind

Den lør. 25. aug. 2018 kl. 09:02 skrev Steven Yi <[hidden email]>:
6.10 and 6.11 both were compiled with MSVC rather than MINGW. I'm
wondering if you by chance installed over a previous < 6.10 install
and if there's some mixing of dll's?

One thing to check is what you get when running:

csound --devices

It could be that the device you are using is not the one you are
expecting?  This happens to me when an ASIO device gets selected and
ASIO4ALL is set to output to something like "Speakers" which isn't
hooked up at the moment.  (That sounds strange, but seems to be what I
remember happening.)

If that doesn't provide any new information, you could try:

1. Removing csound completely and reinstalling from the 6.11 installer
2. Try using one of the newer develop builds on AppVeyor, such as at:

https://ci.appveyor.com/project/csound/csound/build/6.11.1918/artifacts


On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 5:42 PM Oeyvind Brandtsegg
<[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi, thanks for looking into it.
> I tested with the binary from this link
> https://github.com/csound/csound/releases/download/6.11.0/Csound6.11.0-Windows_x64-installer.exe
> on
> https://csound.com/download.html
>
>
> Den fre. 24. aug. 2018 kl. 21:19 skrev Steven Yi <[hidden email]>:
>>
>> I have a Windows computer where I just did a fresh install of
>> dependencies and compiled Csound.  It's using Portaudio and working
>> okay.
>>
>> Oeyvind: Is this a self-compile or are you using one built on
>> AppVeyor? (or a release build?)
>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 11:58 AM Victor Lazzarini
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Looks like a problem with portaudio on your system. MME is the old windows audio subsystem, which would
>> > give you high latency.
>> > ========================
>> > Prof. Victor Lazzarini
>> > Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
>> > Maynooth University,
>> > Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>> > Tel: 00 353 7086936
>> > Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>> >
>> > > On 24 Aug 2018, at 12:18, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Actually,
>> > > if I use -odac without any rtaudio option, it says
>> > > rtaudio: PortAudio module enabled ...
>> > > so you are correct,
>> > > but I get no sound, and no list if audio devices.
>> > > I tried using -odac99 to provoke an error and geet the list of devies that portaudio can access, but nothing appears.
>> > > Csound keeps working for the duration of the score, so some kind of realtime processing is going on, but it is a mystery where the sound goes.
>> > > If I use -+rtaudio"mme" I get the sound and also the list of audio devices. Just not with portaudio.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Den tor. 23. aug. 2018 kl. 17:54 skrev jpff <[hidden email]>:
>> > > Not sure if/when this changed but the default would seem to be PortAudio
>> > > except on Linux where it is alsa.
>> > >
>> > > That is from just reading the code as I set rtaudio in .csiund6rc so do ot
>> > > use any default.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, 15 Aug 2018, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hi,
>> > > > it has been some times since I rendered on the command line, but now it seems
>> > > > I need to specify -+rtaudio="mme" to enable audio out to dac. Is this by
>> > > > design, or something odd with my system?
>> > > > Tested on 6.11, and also on 6.10
>> > > >
>> > > > Not really a problem to add this option in my files, but would allow for
>> > > > better crossplatform csds if it could be avoided.
>> > > >
>> > > > all best
>> > > > Oeyvind
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > >
>> > > > Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> > > > Professor of Music Technology
>> > > > NTNU
>> > > > 7491 Trondheim
>> > > > Norway
>> > > > Cell: +47 92 203 205
>> > > >
>> > > > http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>> > > > http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>> > > > http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>> > > > http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>> > > > http://flyndresang.no/
>> > > > http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>> > > >
>> > > > Csound mailing list [hidden email]
>> > > > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
>> > > > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can
>> > > > be posted here
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > Csound mailing list
>> > > [hidden email]
>> > > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> > > Send bugs reports to
>> > >         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> > > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > > Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> > > Professor of Music Technology
>> > > NTNU
>> > > 7491 Trondheim
>> > > Norway
>> > > Cell: +47 92 203 205
>> > >
>> > > http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>> > > http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>> > > http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>> > > http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>> > > http://flyndresang.no/
>> > > http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>> > >
>> > > Csound mailing list [hidden email] https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> >
>> > Csound mailing list
>> > [hidden email]
>> > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> > Send bugs reports to
>> >         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>
>> Csound mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> Send bugs reports to
>>         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>
>
>
> --
>
> Oeyvind Brandtsegg
> Professor of Music Technology
> NTNU
> 7491 Trondheim
> Norway
> Cell: +47 92 203 205
>
> http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
> http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
> http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
> http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
> http://flyndresang.no/
> http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>
> Csound mailing list [hidden email] https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

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Re: [Csnd] rtaudio

Victor Lazzarini-2
In reply to this post by Oeyvind Brandtsegg-3
rtpa.dll is the csound portaudio plugin
portaudio_x64.dll is the portaudio library

Unless rtpa.dll is using a static portaudio lib, both files are needed.

Looks like something not right with the portaudio library, maybe an iffy build of
the library?

Windows devs are needed to check up
on this.

Victor Lazzarini
Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
Maynooth University
Ireland

On 3 Dec 2018, at 20:40, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hm, I am coming back to this as I have not yet been able to solve it.
I can not use portaudio for realtime i/o, only mme

It appears similar in 6.11 and 6.12.
One thing I notice is that rtpa.dll and rtwinmm.dll are located in /plugins64, not it /bin as I would have expected.
In /bin there is a portaudio_x64.dll

* if I delete the rtpa.dll from /plugins64 and try to run a sime csd with -odac, I get: 
unknown rtaudio module: 'PortAudio', using dummy module
rtaudio: dummy module enabled
- this suggests that the portaudio i/o is loaded from /plugins64, and wildly guessing that the portaudio file under /bin does nothing useful?

* if I move the rtpa.dll file to /bin I get the same error.
Should it really be located in /plugins64? I was under the impression that only plugin opcodes would go there(?).

Just trying to poke at why this is not working.
I think I can rule out that there is a conflicting version of portaudio somewhere on my system, since portaudio can not be found if I delete the rtpa.dll frpom /plugins64

Oeyvind

Den lør. 25. aug. 2018 kl. 09:02 skrev Steven Yi <[hidden email]>:
6.10 and 6.11 both were compiled with MSVC rather than MINGW. I'm
wondering if you by chance installed over a previous < 6.10 install
and if there's some mixing of dll's?

One thing to check is what you get when running:

csound --devices

It could be that the device you are using is not the one you are
expecting?  This happens to me when an ASIO device gets selected and
ASIO4ALL is set to output to something like "Speakers" which isn't
hooked up at the moment.  (That sounds strange, but seems to be what I
remember happening.)

If that doesn't provide any new information, you could try:

1. Removing csound completely and reinstalling from the 6.11 installer
2. Try using one of the newer develop builds on AppVeyor, such as at:

https://ci.appveyor.com/project/csound/csound/build/6.11.1918/artifacts


On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 5:42 PM Oeyvind Brandtsegg
<[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi, thanks for looking into it.
> I tested with the binary from this link
> https://github.com/csound/csound/releases/download/6.11.0/Csound6.11.0-Windows_x64-installer.exe
> on
> https://csound.com/download.html
>
>
> Den fre. 24. aug. 2018 kl. 21:19 skrev Steven Yi <[hidden email]>:
>>
>> I have a Windows computer where I just did a fresh install of
>> dependencies and compiled Csound.  It's using Portaudio and working
>> okay.
>>
>> Oeyvind: Is this a self-compile or are you using one built on
>> AppVeyor? (or a release build?)
>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 11:58 AM Victor Lazzarini
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Looks like a problem with portaudio on your system. MME is the old windows audio subsystem, which would
>> > give you high latency.
>> > ========================
>> > Prof. Victor Lazzarini
>> > Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
>> > Maynooth University,
>> > Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>> > Tel: 00 353 7086936
>> > Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>> >
>> > > On 24 Aug 2018, at 12:18, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Actually,
>> > > if I use -odac without any rtaudio option, it says
>> > > rtaudio: PortAudio module enabled ...
>> > > so you are correct,
>> > > but I get no sound, and no list if audio devices.
>> > > I tried using -odac99 to provoke an error and geet the list of devies that portaudio can access, but nothing appears.
>> > > Csound keeps working for the duration of the score, so some kind of realtime processing is going on, but it is a mystery where the sound goes.
>> > > If I use -+rtaudio"mme" I get the sound and also the list of audio devices. Just not with portaudio.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Den tor. 23. aug. 2018 kl. 17:54 skrev jpff <[hidden email]>:
>> > > Not sure if/when this changed but the default would seem to be PortAudio
>> > > except on Linux where it is alsa.
>> > >
>> > > That is from just reading the code as I set rtaudio in .csiund6rc so do ot
>> > > use any default.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, 15 Aug 2018, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hi,
>> > > > it has been some times since I rendered on the command line, but now it seems
>> > > > I need to specify -+rtaudio="mme" to enable audio out to dac. Is this by
>> > > > design, or something odd with my system?
>> > > > Tested on 6.11, and also on 6.10
>> > > >
>> > > > Not really a problem to add this option in my files, but would allow for
>> > > > better crossplatform csds if it could be avoided.
>> > > >
>> > > > all best
>> > > > Oeyvind
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > >
>> > > > Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> > > > Professor of Music Technology
>> > > > NTNU
>> > > > 7491 Trondheim
>> > > > Norway
>> > > > Cell: +47 92 203 205
>> > > >
>> > > > http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>> > > > http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>> > > > http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>> > > > http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>> > > > http://flyndresang.no/
>> > > > http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>> > > >
>> > > > Csound mailing list [hidden email]
>> > > > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
>> > > > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can
>> > > > be posted here
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > Csound mailing list
>> > > [hidden email]
>> > > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> > > Send bugs reports to
>> > >         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> > > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > > Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> > > Professor of Music Technology
>> > > NTNU
>> > > 7491 Trondheim
>> > > Norway
>> > > Cell: +47 92 203 205
>> > >
>> > > http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>> > > http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>> > > http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>> > > http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>> > > http://flyndresang.no/
>> > > http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>> > >
>> > > Csound mailing list [hidden email] https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> >
>> > Csound mailing list
>> > [hidden email]
>> > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> > Send bugs reports to
>> >         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>
>> Csound mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> Send bugs reports to
>>         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>
>
>
> --
>
> Oeyvind Brandtsegg
> Professor of Music Technology
> NTNU
> 7491 Trondheim
> Norway
> Cell: +47 92 203 205
>
> http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
> http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
> http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
> http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
> http://flyndresang.no/
> http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>
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Re: [Csnd] rtaudio

rorywalsh
Hi Oeyvind, I get the following after csound --devices:

--Csound version 6.12 beta (double samples) Oct 24 2018
[commit: 037becccce26dc9ebc37198a75877e817431d978]
libsndfile-1.0.29pre1
rtaudio: PortAudio module enabled ...
using callback interface
rtmidi: PortMIDI module enabled
PortAudio V19.6.0-devel, revision unknown
7 audio input devices
 0: adc0 (Microsoft Sound Mapper - Input [MME])
 1: adc1 (Microphone Array (Realtek High  [MME])
 2: adc2 (Primary Sound Capture Driver [Windows DirectSound])
 3: adc3 (Microphone Array (Realtek High Definition Audio) [Windows Dire)
 4: adc4 (ASIO4ALL v2 [ASIO])
 5: adc5 (Microphone Array (Realtek High Definition Audio) [Windows WASA)
 6: adc6 (Microphone Array (Realtek HD Audio Mic input) [Windows WDM-KS])
7 audio output devices
 0: dac0 (Microsoft Sound Mapper - Output [MME])
 1: dac1 (Speaker/HP (Realtek High Defini [MME])
 2: dac2 (Primary Sound Driver [Windows DirectSound])
 3: dac3 (Speaker/HP (Realtek High Definition Audio) [Windows DirectSoun)
 4: dac4 (ASIO4ALL v2 [ASIO])
 5: dac5 (Speaker/HP (Realtek High Definition Audio) [Windows WASAPI])
 6: dac6 (Speakers (Realtek HD Audio output) [Windows WDM-KS])
end of score.              overall amps:      0.0
           overall samples out of range:        0
0 errors in performance
Elapsed time at end of performance: real: 0.757s, CPU: 0.757s



On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 at 21:53, Victor Lazzarini <[hidden email]> wrote:
rtpa.dll is the csound portaudio plugin
portaudio_x64.dll is the portaudio library

Unless rtpa.dll is using a static portaudio lib, both files are needed.

Looks like something not right with the portaudio library, maybe an iffy build of
the library?

Windows devs are needed to check up
on this.

Victor Lazzarini
Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
Maynooth University
Ireland

On 3 Dec 2018, at 20:40, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hm, I am coming back to this as I have not yet been able to solve it.
I can not use portaudio for realtime i/o, only mme

It appears similar in 6.11 and 6.12.
One thing I notice is that rtpa.dll and rtwinmm.dll are located in /plugins64, not it /bin as I would have expected.
In /bin there is a portaudio_x64.dll

* if I delete the rtpa.dll from /plugins64 and try to run a sime csd with -odac, I get: 
unknown rtaudio module: 'PortAudio', using dummy module
rtaudio: dummy module enabled
- this suggests that the portaudio i/o is loaded from /plugins64, and wildly guessing that the portaudio file under /bin does nothing useful?

* if I move the rtpa.dll file to /bin I get the same error.
Should it really be located in /plugins64? I was under the impression that only plugin opcodes would go there(?).

Just trying to poke at why this is not working.
I think I can rule out that there is a conflicting version of portaudio somewhere on my system, since portaudio can not be found if I delete the rtpa.dll frpom /plugins64

Oeyvind

Den lør. 25. aug. 2018 kl. 09:02 skrev Steven Yi <[hidden email]>:
6.10 and 6.11 both were compiled with MSVC rather than MINGW. I'm
wondering if you by chance installed over a previous < 6.10 install
and if there's some mixing of dll's?

One thing to check is what you get when running:

csound --devices

It could be that the device you are using is not the one you are
expecting?  This happens to me when an ASIO device gets selected and
ASIO4ALL is set to output to something like "Speakers" which isn't
hooked up at the moment.  (That sounds strange, but seems to be what I
remember happening.)

If that doesn't provide any new information, you could try:

1. Removing csound completely and reinstalling from the 6.11 installer
2. Try using one of the newer develop builds on AppVeyor, such as at:

https://ci.appveyor.com/project/csound/csound/build/6.11.1918/artifacts


On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 5:42 PM Oeyvind Brandtsegg
<[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi, thanks for looking into it.
> I tested with the binary from this link
> https://github.com/csound/csound/releases/download/6.11.0/Csound6.11.0-Windows_x64-installer.exe
> on
> https://csound.com/download.html
>
>
> Den fre. 24. aug. 2018 kl. 21:19 skrev Steven Yi <[hidden email]>:
>>
>> I have a Windows computer where I just did a fresh install of
>> dependencies and compiled Csound.  It's using Portaudio and working
>> okay.
>>
>> Oeyvind: Is this a self-compile or are you using one built on
>> AppVeyor? (or a release build?)
>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 11:58 AM Victor Lazzarini
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Looks like a problem with portaudio on your system. MME is the old windows audio subsystem, which would
>> > give you high latency.
>> > ========================
>> > Prof. Victor Lazzarini
>> > Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
>> > Maynooth University,
>> > Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>> > Tel: 00 353 7086936
>> > Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>> >
>> > > On 24 Aug 2018, at 12:18, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Actually,
>> > > if I use -odac without any rtaudio option, it says
>> > > rtaudio: PortAudio module enabled ...
>> > > so you are correct,
>> > > but I get no sound, and no list if audio devices.
>> > > I tried using -odac99 to provoke an error and geet the list of devies that portaudio can access, but nothing appears.
>> > > Csound keeps working for the duration of the score, so some kind of realtime processing is going on, but it is a mystery where the sound goes.
>> > > If I use -+rtaudio"mme" I get the sound and also the list of audio devices. Just not with portaudio.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Den tor. 23. aug. 2018 kl. 17:54 skrev jpff <[hidden email]>:
>> > > Not sure if/when this changed but the default would seem to be PortAudio
>> > > except on Linux where it is alsa.
>> > >
>> > > That is from just reading the code as I set rtaudio in .csiund6rc so do ot
>> > > use any default.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, 15 Aug 2018, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hi,
>> > > > it has been some times since I rendered on the command line, but now it seems
>> > > > I need to specify -+rtaudio="mme" to enable audio out to dac. Is this by
>> > > > design, or something odd with my system?
>> > > > Tested on 6.11, and also on 6.10
>> > > >
>> > > > Not really a problem to add this option in my files, but would allow for
>> > > > better crossplatform csds if it could be avoided.
>> > > >
>> > > > all best
>> > > > Oeyvind
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > >
>> > > > Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> > > > Professor of Music Technology
>> > > > NTNU
>> > > > 7491 Trondheim
>> > > > Norway
>> > > > Cell: +47 92 203 205
>> > > >
>> > > > http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>> > > > http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>> > > > http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>> > > > http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>> > > > http://flyndresang.no/
>> > > > http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>> > > >
>> > > > Csound mailing list [hidden email]
>> > > > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
>> > > > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can
>> > > > be posted here
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > Csound mailing list
>> > > [hidden email]
>> > > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> > > Send bugs reports to
>> > >         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> > > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > > Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> > > Professor of Music Technology
>> > > NTNU
>> > > 7491 Trondheim
>> > > Norway
>> > > Cell: +47 92 203 205
>> > >
>> > > http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>> > > http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>> > > http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>> > > http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>> > > http://flyndresang.no/
>> > > http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>> > >
>> > > Csound mailing list [hidden email] https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> >
>> > Csound mailing list
>> > [hidden email]
>> > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> > Send bugs reports to
>> >         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>
>> Csound mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> Send bugs reports to
>>         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>
>
>
> --
>
> Oeyvind Brandtsegg
> Professor of Music Technology
> NTNU
> 7491 Trondheim
> Norway
> Cell: +47 92 203 205
>
> http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
> http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
> http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
> http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
> http://flyndresang.no/
> http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>
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Re: [Csnd] rtaudio

Oeyvind Brandtsegg-3
Thank you Rory,
your print is looking good.
It also shows that you have your own Csound build.
Could you send me your rtpa.dll and portaudio_x64.dll ?, and I can see if it makes any difference if I replace those I have here (mine are from the binary installer)

Den tir. 4. des. 2018 kl. 10:43 skrev Rory Walsh <[hidden email]>:
Hi Oeyvind, I get the following after csound --devices:

--Csound version 6.12 beta (double samples) Oct 24 2018
[commit: 037becccce26dc9ebc37198a75877e817431d978]
libsndfile-1.0.29pre1
rtaudio: PortAudio module enabled ...
using callback interface
rtmidi: PortMIDI module enabled
PortAudio V19.6.0-devel, revision unknown
7 audio input devices
 0: adc0 (Microsoft Sound Mapper - Input [MME])
 1: adc1 (Microphone Array (Realtek High  [MME])
 2: adc2 (Primary Sound Capture Driver [Windows DirectSound])
 3: adc3 (Microphone Array (Realtek High Definition Audio) [Windows Dire)
 4: adc4 (ASIO4ALL v2 [ASIO])
 5: adc5 (Microphone Array (Realtek High Definition Audio) [Windows WASA)
 6: adc6 (Microphone Array (Realtek HD Audio Mic input) [Windows WDM-KS])
7 audio output devices
 0: dac0 (Microsoft Sound Mapper - Output [MME])
 1: dac1 (Speaker/HP (Realtek High Defini [MME])
 2: dac2 (Primary Sound Driver [Windows DirectSound])
 3: dac3 (Speaker/HP (Realtek High Definition Audio) [Windows DirectSoun)
 4: dac4 (ASIO4ALL v2 [ASIO])
 5: dac5 (Speaker/HP (Realtek High Definition Audio) [Windows WASAPI])
 6: dac6 (Speakers (Realtek HD Audio output) [Windows WDM-KS])
end of score.              overall amps:      0.0
           overall samples out of range:        0
0 errors in performance
Elapsed time at end of performance: real: 0.757s, CPU: 0.757s



On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 at 21:53, Victor Lazzarini <[hidden email]> wrote:
rtpa.dll is the csound portaudio plugin
portaudio_x64.dll is the portaudio library

Unless rtpa.dll is using a static portaudio lib, both files are needed.

Looks like something not right with the portaudio library, maybe an iffy build of
the library?

Windows devs are needed to check up
on this.

Victor Lazzarini
Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
Maynooth University
Ireland

On 3 Dec 2018, at 20:40, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hm, I am coming back to this as I have not yet been able to solve it.
I can not use portaudio for realtime i/o, only mme

It appears similar in 6.11 and 6.12.
One thing I notice is that rtpa.dll and rtwinmm.dll are located in /plugins64, not it /bin as I would have expected.
In /bin there is a portaudio_x64.dll

* if I delete the rtpa.dll from /plugins64 and try to run a sime csd with -odac, I get: 
unknown rtaudio module: 'PortAudio', using dummy module
rtaudio: dummy module enabled
- this suggests that the portaudio i/o is loaded from /plugins64, and wildly guessing that the portaudio file under /bin does nothing useful?

* if I move the rtpa.dll file to /bin I get the same error.
Should it really be located in /plugins64? I was under the impression that only plugin opcodes would go there(?).

Just trying to poke at why this is not working.
I think I can rule out that there is a conflicting version of portaudio somewhere on my system, since portaudio can not be found if I delete the rtpa.dll frpom /plugins64

Oeyvind

Den lør. 25. aug. 2018 kl. 09:02 skrev Steven Yi <[hidden email]>:
6.10 and 6.11 both were compiled with MSVC rather than MINGW. I'm
wondering if you by chance installed over a previous < 6.10 install
and if there's some mixing of dll's?

One thing to check is what you get when running:

csound --devices

It could be that the device you are using is not the one you are
expecting?  This happens to me when an ASIO device gets selected and
ASIO4ALL is set to output to something like "Speakers" which isn't
hooked up at the moment.  (That sounds strange, but seems to be what I
remember happening.)

If that doesn't provide any new information, you could try:

1. Removing csound completely and reinstalling from the 6.11 installer
2. Try using one of the newer develop builds on AppVeyor, such as at:

https://ci.appveyor.com/project/csound/csound/build/6.11.1918/artifacts


On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 5:42 PM Oeyvind Brandtsegg
<[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi, thanks for looking into it.
> I tested with the binary from this link
> https://github.com/csound/csound/releases/download/6.11.0/Csound6.11.0-Windows_x64-installer.exe
> on
> https://csound.com/download.html
>
>
> Den fre. 24. aug. 2018 kl. 21:19 skrev Steven Yi <[hidden email]>:
>>
>> I have a Windows computer where I just did a fresh install of
>> dependencies and compiled Csound.  It's using Portaudio and working
>> okay.
>>
>> Oeyvind: Is this a self-compile or are you using one built on
>> AppVeyor? (or a release build?)
>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 11:58 AM Victor Lazzarini
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Looks like a problem with portaudio on your system. MME is the old windows audio subsystem, which would
>> > give you high latency.
>> > ========================
>> > Prof. Victor Lazzarini
>> > Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
>> > Maynooth University,
>> > Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>> > Tel: 00 353 7086936
>> > Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>> >
>> > > On 24 Aug 2018, at 12:18, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Actually,
>> > > if I use -odac without any rtaudio option, it says
>> > > rtaudio: PortAudio module enabled ...
>> > > so you are correct,
>> > > but I get no sound, and no list if audio devices.
>> > > I tried using -odac99 to provoke an error and geet the list of devies that portaudio can access, but nothing appears.
>> > > Csound keeps working for the duration of the score, so some kind of realtime processing is going on, but it is a mystery where the sound goes.
>> > > If I use -+rtaudio"mme" I get the sound and also the list of audio devices. Just not with portaudio.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Den tor. 23. aug. 2018 kl. 17:54 skrev jpff <[hidden email]>:
>> > > Not sure if/when this changed but the default would seem to be PortAudio
>> > > except on Linux where it is alsa.
>> > >
>> > > That is from just reading the code as I set rtaudio in .csiund6rc so do ot
>> > > use any default.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, 15 Aug 2018, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hi,
>> > > > it has been some times since I rendered on the command line, but now it seems
>> > > > I need to specify -+rtaudio="mme" to enable audio out to dac. Is this by
>> > > > design, or something odd with my system?
>> > > > Tested on 6.11, and also on 6.10
>> > > >
>> > > > Not really a problem to add this option in my files, but would allow for
>> > > > better crossplatform csds if it could be avoided.
>> > > >
>> > > > all best
>> > > > Oeyvind
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > >
>> > > > Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> > > > Professor of Music Technology
>> > > > NTNU
>> > > > 7491 Trondheim
>> > > > Norway
>> > > > Cell: +47 92 203 205
>> > > >
>> > > > http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>> > > > http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>> > > > http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>> > > > http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>> > > > http://flyndresang.no/
>> > > > http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>> > > >
>> > > > Csound mailing list [hidden email]
>> > > > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
>> > > > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can
>> > > > be posted here
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > Csound mailing list
>> > > [hidden email]
>> > > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> > > Send bugs reports to
>> > >         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> > > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > > Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> > > Professor of Music Technology
>> > > NTNU
>> > > 7491 Trondheim
>> > > Norway
>> > > Cell: +47 92 203 205
>> > >
>> > > http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>> > > http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>> > > http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>> > > http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>> > > http://flyndresang.no/
>> > > http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>> > >
>> > > Csound mailing list [hidden email] https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> >
>> > Csound mailing list
>> > [hidden email]
>> > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> > Send bugs reports to
>> >         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>
>> Csound mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> Send bugs reports to
>>         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>
>
>
> --
>
> Oeyvind Brandtsegg
> Professor of Music Technology
> NTNU
> 7491 Trondheim
> Norway
> Cell: +47 92 203 205
>
> http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
> http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
> http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
> http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
> http://flyndresang.no/
> http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>
> Csound mailing list [hidden email] https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

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Re: [Csnd] rtaudio

Oeyvind Brandtsegg-3
In reply to this post by Victor Lazzarini-2
Thanks Victor,
Isn't it odd that rtpa.dll is in the plugins directory then?
Even if rtpa.dll is technically a plugin, I thought it was only opcode plugins that shoud go in /plugins64
If I move rtpa.dll to /bin it behaves the same as if I delete it, so it is obviously only being looked for in /plugins64
I think at some point in the past rtpa.dll used to live in /bin

I would not have a problem with it either way, I just investigate everything that looks odd in this context, to try to poke at why this is not working here.


Den man. 3. des. 2018 kl. 22:53 skrev Victor Lazzarini <[hidden email]>:
rtpa.dll is the csound portaudio plugin
portaudio_x64.dll is the portaudio library

Unless rtpa.dll is using a static portaudio lib, both files are needed.

Looks like something not right with the portaudio library, maybe an iffy build of
the library?

Windows devs are needed to check up
on this.

Victor Lazzarini
Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
Maynooth University
Ireland

On 3 Dec 2018, at 20:40, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hm, I am coming back to this as I have not yet been able to solve it.
I can not use portaudio for realtime i/o, only mme

It appears similar in 6.11 and 6.12.
One thing I notice is that rtpa.dll and rtwinmm.dll are located in /plugins64, not it /bin as I would have expected.
In /bin there is a portaudio_x64.dll

* if I delete the rtpa.dll from /plugins64 and try to run a sime csd with -odac, I get: 
unknown rtaudio module: 'PortAudio', using dummy module
rtaudio: dummy module enabled
- this suggests that the portaudio i/o is loaded from /plugins64, and wildly guessing that the portaudio file under /bin does nothing useful?

* if I move the rtpa.dll file to /bin I get the same error.
Should it really be located in /plugins64? I was under the impression that only plugin opcodes would go there(?).

Just trying to poke at why this is not working.
I think I can rule out that there is a conflicting version of portaudio somewhere on my system, since portaudio can not be found if I delete the rtpa.dll frpom /plugins64

Oeyvind

Den lør. 25. aug. 2018 kl. 09:02 skrev Steven Yi <[hidden email]>:
6.10 and 6.11 both were compiled with MSVC rather than MINGW. I'm
wondering if you by chance installed over a previous < 6.10 install
and if there's some mixing of dll's?

One thing to check is what you get when running:

csound --devices

It could be that the device you are using is not the one you are
expecting?  This happens to me when an ASIO device gets selected and
ASIO4ALL is set to output to something like "Speakers" which isn't
hooked up at the moment.  (That sounds strange, but seems to be what I
remember happening.)

If that doesn't provide any new information, you could try:

1. Removing csound completely and reinstalling from the 6.11 installer
2. Try using one of the newer develop builds on AppVeyor, such as at:

https://ci.appveyor.com/project/csound/csound/build/6.11.1918/artifacts


On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 5:42 PM Oeyvind Brandtsegg
<[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi, thanks for looking into it.
> I tested with the binary from this link
> https://github.com/csound/csound/releases/download/6.11.0/Csound6.11.0-Windows_x64-installer.exe
> on
> https://csound.com/download.html
>
>
> Den fre. 24. aug. 2018 kl. 21:19 skrev Steven Yi <[hidden email]>:
>>
>> I have a Windows computer where I just did a fresh install of
>> dependencies and compiled Csound.  It's using Portaudio and working
>> okay.
>>
>> Oeyvind: Is this a self-compile or are you using one built on
>> AppVeyor? (or a release build?)
>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 11:58 AM Victor Lazzarini
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Looks like a problem with portaudio on your system. MME is the old windows audio subsystem, which would
>> > give you high latency.
>> > ========================
>> > Prof. Victor Lazzarini
>> > Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
>> > Maynooth University,
>> > Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>> > Tel: 00 353 7086936
>> > Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>> >
>> > > On 24 Aug 2018, at 12:18, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Actually,
>> > > if I use -odac without any rtaudio option, it says
>> > > rtaudio: PortAudio module enabled ...
>> > > so you are correct,
>> > > but I get no sound, and no list if audio devices.
>> > > I tried using -odac99 to provoke an error and geet the list of devies that portaudio can access, but nothing appears.
>> > > Csound keeps working for the duration of the score, so some kind of realtime processing is going on, but it is a mystery where the sound goes.
>> > > If I use -+rtaudio"mme" I get the sound and also the list of audio devices. Just not with portaudio.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Den tor. 23. aug. 2018 kl. 17:54 skrev jpff <[hidden email]>:
>> > > Not sure if/when this changed but the default would seem to be PortAudio
>> > > except on Linux where it is alsa.
>> > >
>> > > That is from just reading the code as I set rtaudio in .csiund6rc so do ot
>> > > use any default.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, 15 Aug 2018, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hi,
>> > > > it has been some times since I rendered on the command line, but now it seems
>> > > > I need to specify -+rtaudio="mme" to enable audio out to dac. Is this by
>> > > > design, or something odd with my system?
>> > > > Tested on 6.11, and also on 6.10
>> > > >
>> > > > Not really a problem to add this option in my files, but would allow for
>> > > > better crossplatform csds if it could be avoided.
>> > > >
>> > > > all best
>> > > > Oeyvind
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > >
>> > > > Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> > > > Professor of Music Technology
>> > > > NTNU
>> > > > 7491 Trondheim
>> > > > Norway
>> > > > Cell: +47 92 203 205
>> > > >
>> > > > http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>> > > > http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>> > > > http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>> > > > http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>> > > > http://flyndresang.no/
>> > > > http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>> > > >
>> > > > Csound mailing list [hidden email]
>> > > > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
>> > > > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can
>> > > > be posted here
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > Csound mailing list
>> > > [hidden email]
>> > > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> > > Send bugs reports to
>> > >         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> > > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > > Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> > > Professor of Music Technology
>> > > NTNU
>> > > 7491 Trondheim
>> > > Norway
>> > > Cell: +47 92 203 205
>> > >
>> > > http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>> > > http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>> > > http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>> > > http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>> > > http://flyndresang.no/
>> > > http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>> > >
>> > > Csound mailing list [hidden email] https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> >
>> > Csound mailing list
>> > [hidden email]
>> > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> > Send bugs reports to
>> >         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>
>> Csound mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> Send bugs reports to
>>         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>
>
>
> --
>
> Oeyvind Brandtsegg
> Professor of Music Technology
> NTNU
> 7491 Trondheim
> Norway
> Cell: +47 92 203 205
>
> http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
> http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
> http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
> http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
> http://flyndresang.no/
> http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>
> Csound mailing list [hidden email] https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

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Re: [Csnd] rtaudio

rorywalsh
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I don't have my own build on this PC. I just installed using the latest Csound package for 6.12?

On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 at 14:10, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thank you Rory,
your print is looking good.
It also shows that you have your own Csound build.
Could you send me your rtpa.dll and portaudio_x64.dll ?, and I can see if it makes any difference if I replace those I have here (mine are from the binary installer)

Den tir. 4. des. 2018 kl. 10:43 skrev Rory Walsh <[hidden email]>:
Hi Oeyvind, I get the following after csound --devices:

--Csound version 6.12 beta (double samples) Oct 24 2018
[commit: 037becccce26dc9ebc37198a75877e817431d978]
libsndfile-1.0.29pre1
rtaudio: PortAudio module enabled ...
using callback interface
rtmidi: PortMIDI module enabled
PortAudio V19.6.0-devel, revision unknown
7 audio input devices
 0: adc0 (Microsoft Sound Mapper - Input [MME])
 1: adc1 (Microphone Array (Realtek High  [MME])
 2: adc2 (Primary Sound Capture Driver [Windows DirectSound])
 3: adc3 (Microphone Array (Realtek High Definition Audio) [Windows Dire)
 4: adc4 (ASIO4ALL v2 [ASIO])
 5: adc5 (Microphone Array (Realtek High Definition Audio) [Windows WASA)
 6: adc6 (Microphone Array (Realtek HD Audio Mic input) [Windows WDM-KS])
7 audio output devices
 0: dac0 (Microsoft Sound Mapper - Output [MME])
 1: dac1 (Speaker/HP (Realtek High Defini [MME])
 2: dac2 (Primary Sound Driver [Windows DirectSound])
 3: dac3 (Speaker/HP (Realtek High Definition Audio) [Windows DirectSoun)
 4: dac4 (ASIO4ALL v2 [ASIO])
 5: dac5 (Speaker/HP (Realtek High Definition Audio) [Windows WASAPI])
 6: dac6 (Speakers (Realtek HD Audio output) [Windows WDM-KS])
end of score.              overall amps:      0.0
           overall samples out of range:        0
0 errors in performance
Elapsed time at end of performance: real: 0.757s, CPU: 0.757s



On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 at 21:53, Victor Lazzarini <[hidden email]> wrote:
rtpa.dll is the csound portaudio plugin
portaudio_x64.dll is the portaudio library

Unless rtpa.dll is using a static portaudio lib, both files are needed.

Looks like something not right with the portaudio library, maybe an iffy build of
the library?

Windows devs are needed to check up
on this.

Victor Lazzarini
Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
Maynooth University
Ireland

On 3 Dec 2018, at 20:40, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hm, I am coming back to this as I have not yet been able to solve it.
I can not use portaudio for realtime i/o, only mme

It appears similar in 6.11 and 6.12.
One thing I notice is that rtpa.dll and rtwinmm.dll are located in /plugins64, not it /bin as I would have expected.
In /bin there is a portaudio_x64.dll

* if I delete the rtpa.dll from /plugins64 and try to run a sime csd with -odac, I get: 
unknown rtaudio module: 'PortAudio', using dummy module
rtaudio: dummy module enabled
- this suggests that the portaudio i/o is loaded from /plugins64, and wildly guessing that the portaudio file under /bin does nothing useful?

* if I move the rtpa.dll file to /bin I get the same error.
Should it really be located in /plugins64? I was under the impression that only plugin opcodes would go there(?).

Just trying to poke at why this is not working.
I think I can rule out that there is a conflicting version of portaudio somewhere on my system, since portaudio can not be found if I delete the rtpa.dll frpom /plugins64

Oeyvind

Den lør. 25. aug. 2018 kl. 09:02 skrev Steven Yi <[hidden email]>:
6.10 and 6.11 both were compiled with MSVC rather than MINGW. I'm
wondering if you by chance installed over a previous < 6.10 install
and if there's some mixing of dll's?

One thing to check is what you get when running:

csound --devices

It could be that the device you are using is not the one you are
expecting?  This happens to me when an ASIO device gets selected and
ASIO4ALL is set to output to something like "Speakers" which isn't
hooked up at the moment.  (That sounds strange, but seems to be what I
remember happening.)

If that doesn't provide any new information, you could try:

1. Removing csound completely and reinstalling from the 6.11 installer
2. Try using one of the newer develop builds on AppVeyor, such as at:

https://ci.appveyor.com/project/csound/csound/build/6.11.1918/artifacts


On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 5:42 PM Oeyvind Brandtsegg
<[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi, thanks for looking into it.
> I tested with the binary from this link
> https://github.com/csound/csound/releases/download/6.11.0/Csound6.11.0-Windows_x64-installer.exe
> on
> https://csound.com/download.html
>
>
> Den fre. 24. aug. 2018 kl. 21:19 skrev Steven Yi <[hidden email]>:
>>
>> I have a Windows computer where I just did a fresh install of
>> dependencies and compiled Csound.  It's using Portaudio and working
>> okay.
>>
>> Oeyvind: Is this a self-compile or are you using one built on
>> AppVeyor? (or a release build?)
>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 11:58 AM Victor Lazzarini
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Looks like a problem with portaudio on your system. MME is the old windows audio subsystem, which would
>> > give you high latency.
>> > ========================
>> > Prof. Victor Lazzarini
>> > Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
>> > Maynooth University,
>> > Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>> > Tel: 00 353 7086936
>> > Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>> >
>> > > On 24 Aug 2018, at 12:18, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Actually,
>> > > if I use -odac without any rtaudio option, it says
>> > > rtaudio: PortAudio module enabled ...
>> > > so you are correct,
>> > > but I get no sound, and no list if audio devices.
>> > > I tried using -odac99 to provoke an error and geet the list of devies that portaudio can access, but nothing appears.
>> > > Csound keeps working for the duration of the score, so some kind of realtime processing is going on, but it is a mystery where the sound goes.
>> > > If I use -+rtaudio"mme" I get the sound and also the list of audio devices. Just not with portaudio.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Den tor. 23. aug. 2018 kl. 17:54 skrev jpff <[hidden email]>:
>> > > Not sure if/when this changed but the default would seem to be PortAudio
>> > > except on Linux where it is alsa.
>> > >
>> > > That is from just reading the code as I set rtaudio in .csiund6rc so do ot
>> > > use any default.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, 15 Aug 2018, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hi,
>> > > > it has been some times since I rendered on the command line, but now it seems
>> > > > I need to specify -+rtaudio="mme" to enable audio out to dac. Is this by
>> > > > design, or something odd with my system?
>> > > > Tested on 6.11, and also on 6.10
>> > > >
>> > > > Not really a problem to add this option in my files, but would allow for
>> > > > better crossplatform csds if it could be avoided.
>> > > >
>> > > > all best
>> > > > Oeyvind
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > >
>> > > > Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> > > > Professor of Music Technology
>> > > > NTNU
>> > > > 7491 Trondheim
>> > > > Norway
>> > > > Cell: +47 92 203 205
>> > > >
>> > > > http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>> > > > http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>> > > > http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>> > > > http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>> > > > http://flyndresang.no/
>> > > > http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>> > > >
>> > > > Csound mailing list [hidden email]
>> > > > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
>> > > > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can
>> > > > be posted here
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > Csound mailing list
>> > > [hidden email]
>> > > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> > > Send bugs reports to
>> > >         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> > > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > > Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> > > Professor of Music Technology
>> > > NTNU
>> > > 7491 Trondheim
>> > > Norway
>> > > Cell: +47 92 203 205
>> > >
>> > > http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>> > > http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>> > > http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>> > > http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>> > > http://flyndresang.no/
>> > > http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>> > >
>> > > Csound mailing list [hidden email] https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> >
>> > Csound mailing list
>> > [hidden email]
>> > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> > Send bugs reports to
>> >         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>
>> Csound mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> Send bugs reports to
>>         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>
>
>
> --
>
> Oeyvind Brandtsegg
> Professor of Music Technology
> NTNU
> 7491 Trondheim
> Norway
> Cell: +47 92 203 205
>
> http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
> http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
> http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
> http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
> http://flyndresang.no/
> http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>
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Re: [Csnd] rtaudio

Victor Lazzarini-2
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No, it’s the way we’ve always done it, all plugins (opcodes, function tables, audio and midi IO) are in the
plugins directory. When Csound runs it looks for that directory and loads them all from there.



========================
Prof. Victor Lazzarini
Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
Maynooth University,
Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
Tel: 00 353 7086936
Fax: 00 353 1 7086952

> On 4 Dec 2018, at 14:14, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Thanks Victor,
> Isn't it odd that rtpa.dll is in the plugins directory then?
> Even if rtpa.dll is technically a plugin, I thought it was only opcode plugins that shoud go in /plugins64
> If I move rtpa.dll to /bin it behaves the same as if I delete it, so it is obviously only being looked for in /plugins64
> I think at some point in the past rtpa.dll used to live in /bin
>
> I would not have a problem with it either way, I just investigate everything that looks odd in this context, to try to poke at why this is not working here.
>
>
> Den man. 3. des. 2018 kl. 22:53 skrev Victor Lazzarini <[hidden email]>:
> rtpa.dll is the csound portaudio plugin
> portaudio_x64.dll is the portaudio library
>
> Unless rtpa.dll is using a static portaudio lib, both files are needed.
>
> Looks like something not right with the portaudio library, maybe an iffy build of
> the library?
>
> Windows devs are needed to check up
> on this.
>
> Victor Lazzarini
> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
> Maynooth University
> Ireland
>
> On 3 Dec 2018, at 20:40, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hm, I am coming back to this as I have not yet been able to solve it.
>> I can not use portaudio for realtime i/o, only mme
>>
>> It appears similar in 6.11 and 6.12.
>> One thing I notice is that rtpa.dll and rtwinmm.dll are located in /plugins64, not it /bin as I would have expected.
>> In /bin there is a portaudio_x64.dll
>>
>> * if I delete the rtpa.dll from /plugins64 and try to run a sime csd with -odac, I get:
>> unknown rtaudio module: 'PortAudio', using dummy module
>> rtaudio: dummy module enabled
>> - this suggests that the portaudio i/o is loaded from /plugins64, and wildly guessing that the portaudio file under /bin does nothing useful?
>>
>> * if I move the rtpa.dll file to /bin I get the same error.
>> Should it really be located in /plugins64? I was under the impression that only plugin opcodes would go there(?).
>>
>> Just trying to poke at why this is not working.
>> I think I can rule out that there is a conflicting version of portaudio somewhere on my system, since portaudio can not be found if I delete the rtpa.dll frpom /plugins64
>>
>> Oeyvind
>>
>> Den lør. 25. aug. 2018 kl. 09:02 skrev Steven Yi <[hidden email]>:
>> 6.10 and 6.11 both were compiled with MSVC rather than MINGW. I'm
>> wondering if you by chance installed over a previous < 6.10 install
>> and if there's some mixing of dll's?
>>
>> One thing to check is what you get when running:
>>
>> csound --devices
>>
>> It could be that the device you are using is not the one you are
>> expecting?  This happens to me when an ASIO device gets selected and
>> ASIO4ALL is set to output to something like "Speakers" which isn't
>> hooked up at the moment.  (That sounds strange, but seems to be what I
>> remember happening.)
>>
>> If that doesn't provide any new information, you could try:
>>
>> 1. Removing csound completely and reinstalling from the 6.11 installer
>> 2. Try using one of the newer develop builds on AppVeyor, such as at:
>>
>> https://ci.appveyor.com/project/csound/csound/build/6.11.1918/artifacts
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 5:42 PM Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi, thanks for looking into it.
>> > I tested with the binary from this link
>> > https://github.com/csound/csound/releases/download/6.11.0/Csound6.11.0-Windows_x64-installer.exe
>> > on
>> > https://csound.com/download.html
>> >
>> >
>> > Den fre. 24. aug. 2018 kl. 21:19 skrev Steven Yi <[hidden email]>:
>> >>
>> >> I have a Windows computer where I just did a fresh install of
>> >> dependencies and compiled Csound.  It's using Portaudio and working
>> >> okay.
>> >>
>> >> Oeyvind: Is this a self-compile or are you using one built on
>> >> AppVeyor? (or a release build?)
>> >> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 11:58 AM Victor Lazzarini
>> >> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Looks like a problem with portaudio on your system. MME is the old windows audio subsystem, which would
>> >> > give you high latency.
>> >> > ========================
>> >> > Prof. Victor Lazzarini
>> >> > Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
>> >> > Maynooth University,
>> >> > Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>> >> > Tel: 00 353 7086936
>> >> > Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>> >> >
>> >> > > On 24 Aug 2018, at 12:18, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Actually,
>> >> > > if I use -odac without any rtaudio option, it says
>> >> > > rtaudio: PortAudio module enabled ...
>> >> > > so you are correct,
>> >> > > but I get no sound, and no list if audio devices.
>> >> > > I tried using -odac99 to provoke an error and geet the list of devies that portaudio can access, but nothing appears.
>> >> > > Csound keeps working for the duration of the score, so some kind of realtime processing is going on, but it is a mystery where the sound goes.
>> >> > > If I use -+rtaudio"mme" I get the sound and also the list of audio devices. Just not with portaudio.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Den tor. 23. aug. 2018 kl. 17:54 skrev jpff <[hidden email]>:
>> >> > > Not sure if/when this changed but the default would seem to be PortAudio
>> >> > > except on Linux where it is alsa.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > That is from just reading the code as I set rtaudio in .csiund6rc so do ot
>> >> > > use any default.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Wed, 15 Aug 2018, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > Hi,
>> >> > > > it has been some times since I rendered on the command line, but now it seems
>> >> > > > I need to specify -+rtaudio="mme" to enable audio out to dac. Is this by
>> >> > > > design, or something odd with my system?
>> >> > > > Tested on 6.11, and also on 6.10
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Not really a problem to add this option in my files, but would allow for
>> >> > > > better crossplatform csds if it could be avoided.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > all best
>> >> > > > Oeyvind
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > --
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> >> > > > Professor of Music Technology
>> >> > > > NTNU
>> >> > > > 7491 Trondheim
>> >> > > > Norway
>> >> > > > Cell: +47 92 203 205
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>> >> > > > http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>> >> > > > http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>> >> > > > http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>> >> > > > http://flyndresang.no/
>> >> > > > http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Csound mailing list [hidden email]
>> >> > > > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
>> >> > > > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can
>> >> > > > be posted here
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Csound mailing list
>> >> > > [hidden email]
>> >> > > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> >> > > Send bugs reports to
>> >> > >         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> >> > > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> >> > > Professor of Music Technology
>> >> > > NTNU
>> >> > > 7491 Trondheim
>> >> > > Norway
>> >> > > Cell: +47 92 203 205
>> >> > >
>> >> > > http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>> >> > > http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>> >> > > http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>> >> > > http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>> >> > > http://flyndresang.no/
>> >> > > http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Csound mailing list [hidden email] https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> >> >
>> >> > Csound mailing list
>> >> > [hidden email]
>> >> > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> >> > Send bugs reports to
>> >> >         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> >> > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> >>
>> >> Csound mailing list
>> >> [hidden email]
>> >> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> >> Send bugs reports to
>> >>         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> > Professor of Music Technology
>> > NTNU
>> > 7491 Trondheim
>> > Norway
>> > Cell: +47 92 203 205
>> >
>> > http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>> > http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>> > http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>> > http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>> > http://flyndresang.no/
>> > http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>> >
>> > Csound mailing list [hidden email] https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>
>> Csound mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> Send bugs reports to
>>         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> Professor of Music Technology
>> NTNU
>> 7491 Trondheim
>> Norway
>> Cell: +47 92 203 205
>>
>> http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>> http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>> http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>> http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>> http://flyndresang.no/
>> http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>>  
>> Csound mailing list [hidden email] https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> Csound mailing list [hidden email] https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>
>
> --
>
> Oeyvind Brandtsegg
> Professor of Music Technology
> NTNU
> 7491 Trondheim
> Norway
> Cell: +47 92 203 205
>
> http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
> http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
> http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
> http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
> http://flyndresang.no/
> http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>  
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Re: [Csnd] rtaudio

Oeyvind Brandtsegg-3
ok. Thanks. That is good to know.

Is there any way to get any more information about what portaudio fails to do on my system?
Any way of accessing portaudio with some sort of verbose or debug output?

Den tir. 4. des. 2018 kl. 16:14 skrev Victor Lazzarini <[hidden email]>:
No, it’s the way we’ve always done it, all plugins (opcodes, function tables, audio and midi IO) are in the
plugins directory. When Csound runs it looks for that directory and loads them all from there.



========================
Prof. Victor Lazzarini
Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
Maynooth University,
Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
Tel: 00 353 7086936
Fax: 00 353 1 7086952

> On 4 Dec 2018, at 14:14, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Thanks Victor,
> Isn't it odd that rtpa.dll is in the plugins directory then?
> Even if rtpa.dll is technically a plugin, I thought it was only opcode plugins that shoud go in /plugins64
> If I move rtpa.dll to /bin it behaves the same as if I delete it, so it is obviously only being looked for in /plugins64
> I think at some point in the past rtpa.dll used to live in /bin
>
> I would not have a problem with it either way, I just investigate everything that looks odd in this context, to try to poke at why this is not working here.
>
>
> Den man. 3. des. 2018 kl. 22:53 skrev Victor Lazzarini <[hidden email]>:
> rtpa.dll is the csound portaudio plugin
> portaudio_x64.dll is the portaudio library
>
> Unless rtpa.dll is using a static portaudio lib, both files are needed.
>
> Looks like something not right with the portaudio library, maybe an iffy build of
> the library?
>
> Windows devs are needed to check up
> on this.
>
> Victor Lazzarini
> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
> Maynooth University
> Ireland
>
> On 3 Dec 2018, at 20:40, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hm, I am coming back to this as I have not yet been able to solve it.
>> I can not use portaudio for realtime i/o, only mme
>>
>> It appears similar in 6.11 and 6.12.
>> One thing I notice is that rtpa.dll and rtwinmm.dll are located in /plugins64, not it /bin as I would have expected.
>> In /bin there is a portaudio_x64.dll
>>
>> * if I delete the rtpa.dll from /plugins64 and try to run a sime csd with -odac, I get:
>> unknown rtaudio module: 'PortAudio', using dummy module
>> rtaudio: dummy module enabled
>> - this suggests that the portaudio i/o is loaded from /plugins64, and wildly guessing that the portaudio file under /bin does nothing useful?
>>
>> * if I move the rtpa.dll file to /bin I get the same error.
>> Should it really be located in /plugins64? I was under the impression that only plugin opcodes would go there(?).
>>
>> Just trying to poke at why this is not working.
>> I think I can rule out that there is a conflicting version of portaudio somewhere on my system, since portaudio can not be found if I delete the rtpa.dll frpom /plugins64
>>
>> Oeyvind
>>
>> Den lør. 25. aug. 2018 kl. 09:02 skrev Steven Yi <[hidden email]>:
>> 6.10 and 6.11 both were compiled with MSVC rather than MINGW. I'm
>> wondering if you by chance installed over a previous < 6.10 install
>> and if there's some mixing of dll's?
>>
>> One thing to check is what you get when running:
>>
>> csound --devices
>>
>> It could be that the device you are using is not the one you are
>> expecting?  This happens to me when an ASIO device gets selected and
>> ASIO4ALL is set to output to something like "Speakers" which isn't
>> hooked up at the moment.  (That sounds strange, but seems to be what I
>> remember happening.)
>>
>> If that doesn't provide any new information, you could try:
>>
>> 1. Removing csound completely and reinstalling from the 6.11 installer
>> 2. Try using one of the newer develop builds on AppVeyor, such as at:
>>
>> https://ci.appveyor.com/project/csound/csound/build/6.11.1918/artifacts
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 5:42 PM Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi, thanks for looking into it.
>> > I tested with the binary from this link
>> > https://github.com/csound/csound/releases/download/6.11.0/Csound6.11.0-Windows_x64-installer.exe
>> > on
>> > https://csound.com/download.html
>> >
>> >
>> > Den fre. 24. aug. 2018 kl. 21:19 skrev Steven Yi <[hidden email]>:
>> >>
>> >> I have a Windows computer where I just did a fresh install of
>> >> dependencies and compiled Csound.  It's using Portaudio and working
>> >> okay.
>> >>
>> >> Oeyvind: Is this a self-compile or are you using one built on
>> >> AppVeyor? (or a release build?)
>> >> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 11:58 AM Victor Lazzarini
>> >> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Looks like a problem with portaudio on your system. MME is the old windows audio subsystem, which would
>> >> > give you high latency.
>> >> > ========================
>> >> > Prof. Victor Lazzarini
>> >> > Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
>> >> > Maynooth University,
>> >> > Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>> >> > Tel: 00 353 7086936
>> >> > Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>> >> >
>> >> > > On 24 Aug 2018, at 12:18, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Actually,
>> >> > > if I use -odac without any rtaudio option, it says
>> >> > > rtaudio: PortAudio module enabled ...
>> >> > > so you are correct,
>> >> > > but I get no sound, and no list if audio devices.
>> >> > > I tried using -odac99 to provoke an error and geet the list of devies that portaudio can access, but nothing appears.
>> >> > > Csound keeps working for the duration of the score, so some kind of realtime processing is going on, but it is a mystery where the sound goes.
>> >> > > If I use -+rtaudio"mme" I get the sound and also the list of audio devices. Just not with portaudio.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Den tor. 23. aug. 2018 kl. 17:54 skrev jpff <[hidden email]>:
>> >> > > Not sure if/when this changed but the default would seem to be PortAudio
>> >> > > except on Linux where it is alsa.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > That is from just reading the code as I set rtaudio in .csiund6rc so do ot
>> >> > > use any default.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Wed, 15 Aug 2018, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > Hi,
>> >> > > > it has been some times since I rendered on the command line, but now it seems
>> >> > > > I need to specify -+rtaudio="mme" to enable audio out to dac. Is this by
>> >> > > > design, or something odd with my system?
>> >> > > > Tested on 6.11, and also on 6.10
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Not really a problem to add this option in my files, but would allow for
>> >> > > > better crossplatform csds if it could be avoided.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > all best
>> >> > > > Oeyvind
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > --
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> >> > > > Professor of Music Technology
>> >> > > > NTNU
>> >> > > > 7491 Trondheim
>> >> > > > Norway
>> >> > > > Cell: +47 92 203 205
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>> >> > > > http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>> >> > > > http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>> >> > > > http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>> >> > > > http://flyndresang.no/
>> >> > > > http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Csound mailing list [hidden email]
>> >> > > > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
>> >> > > > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can
>> >> > > > be posted here
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Csound mailing list
>> >> > > [hidden email]
>> >> > > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> >> > > Send bugs reports to
>> >> > >         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> >> > > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> >> > > Professor of Music Technology
>> >> > > NTNU
>> >> > > 7491 Trondheim
>> >> > > Norway
>> >> > > Cell: +47 92 203 205
>> >> > >
>> >> > > http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>> >> > > http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>> >> > > http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>> >> > > http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>> >> > > http://flyndresang.no/
>> >> > > http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Csound mailing list [hidden email] https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> >> >
>> >> > Csound mailing list
>> >> > [hidden email]
>> >> > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> >> > Send bugs reports to
>> >> >         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> >> > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> >>
>> >> Csound mailing list
>> >> [hidden email]
>> >> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> >> Send bugs reports to
>> >>         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> > Professor of Music Technology
>> > NTNU
>> > 7491 Trondheim
>> > Norway
>> > Cell: +47 92 203 205
>> >
>> > http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>> > http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>> > http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>> > http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>> > http://flyndresang.no/
>> > http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>> >
>> > Csound mailing list [hidden email] https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>
>> Csound mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> Send bugs reports to
>>         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> Professor of Music Technology
>> NTNU
>> 7491 Trondheim
>> Norway
>> Cell: +47 92 203 205
>>
>> http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>> http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>> http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>> http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>> http://flyndresang.no/
>> http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>> 
>> Csound mailing list [hidden email] https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> Csound mailing list [hidden email] https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>
>
> --
>
> Oeyvind Brandtsegg
> Professor of Music Technology
> NTNU
> 7491 Trondheim
> Norway
> Cell: +47 92 203 205
>
> http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
> http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
> http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
> http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
> http://flyndresang.no/
> http://soundcloud.com/t-emp

> Csound mailing list [hidden email] https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here


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Re: [Csnd] rtaudio

Victor Lazzarini-2
I am sorry, but I don't know much about windows. The windows people here should be able to help.

Victor Lazzarini
Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
Maynooth University
Ireland

On 4 Dec 2018, at 17:51, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <[hidden email]> wrote:

ok. Thanks. That is good to know.

Is there any way to get any more information about what portaudio fails to do on my system?
Any way of accessing portaudio with some sort of verbose or debug output?

Den tir. 4. des. 2018 kl. 16:14 skrev Victor Lazzarini <[hidden email]>:
No, it’s the way we’ve always done it, all plugins (opcodes, function tables, audio and midi IO) are in the
plugins directory. When Csound runs it looks for that directory and loads them all from there.



========================
Prof. Victor Lazzarini
Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
Maynooth University,
Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
Tel: 00 353 7086936
Fax: 00 353 1 7086952

> On 4 Dec 2018, at 14:14, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Thanks Victor,
> Isn't it odd that rtpa.dll is in the plugins directory then?
> Even if rtpa.dll is technically a plugin, I thought it was only opcode plugins that shoud go in /plugins64
> If I move rtpa.dll to /bin it behaves the same as if I delete it, so it is obviously only being looked for in /plugins64
> I think at some point in the past rtpa.dll used to live in /bin
>
> I would not have a problem with it either way, I just investigate everything that looks odd in this context, to try to poke at why this is not working here.
>
>
> Den man. 3. des. 2018 kl. 22:53 skrev Victor Lazzarini <[hidden email]>:
> rtpa.dll is the csound portaudio plugin
> portaudio_x64.dll is the portaudio library
>
> Unless rtpa.dll is using a static portaudio lib, both files are needed.
>
> Looks like something not right with the portaudio library, maybe an iffy build of
> the library?
>
> Windows devs are needed to check up
> on this.
>
> Victor Lazzarini
> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
> Maynooth University
> Ireland
>
> On 3 Dec 2018, at 20:40, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hm, I am coming back to this as I have not yet been able to solve it.
>> I can not use portaudio for realtime i/o, only mme
>>
>> It appears similar in 6.11 and 6.12.
>> One thing I notice is that rtpa.dll and rtwinmm.dll are located in /plugins64, not it /bin as I would have expected.
>> In /bin there is a portaudio_x64.dll
>>
>> * if I delete the rtpa.dll from /plugins64 and try to run a sime csd with -odac, I get:
>> unknown rtaudio module: 'PortAudio', using dummy module
>> rtaudio: dummy module enabled
>> - this suggests that the portaudio i/o is loaded from /plugins64, and wildly guessing that the portaudio file under /bin does nothing useful?
>>
>> * if I move the rtpa.dll file to /bin I get the same error.
>> Should it really be located in /plugins64? I was under the impression that only plugin opcodes would go there(?).
>>
>> Just trying to poke at why this is not working.
>> I think I can rule out that there is a conflicting version of portaudio somewhere on my system, since portaudio can not be found if I delete the rtpa.dll frpom /plugins64
>>
>> Oeyvind
>>
>> Den lør. 25. aug. 2018 kl. 09:02 skrev Steven Yi <[hidden email]>:
>> 6.10 and 6.11 both were compiled with MSVC rather than MINGW. I'm
>> wondering if you by chance installed over a previous < 6.10 install
>> and if there's some mixing of dll's?
>>
>> One thing to check is what you get when running:
>>
>> csound --devices
>>
>> It could be that the device you are using is not the one you are
>> expecting?  This happens to me when an ASIO device gets selected and
>> ASIO4ALL is set to output to something like "Speakers" which isn't
>> hooked up at the moment.  (That sounds strange, but seems to be what I
>> remember happening.)
>>
>> If that doesn't provide any new information, you could try:
>>
>> 1. Removing csound completely and reinstalling from the 6.11 installer
>> 2. Try using one of the newer develop builds on AppVeyor, such as at:
>>
>> https://ci.appveyor.com/project/csound/csound/build/6.11.1918/artifacts
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 5:42 PM Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi, thanks for looking into it.
>> > I tested with the binary from this link
>> > https://github.com/csound/csound/releases/download/6.11.0/Csound6.11.0-Windows_x64-installer.exe
>> > on
>> > https://csound.com/download.html
>> >
>> >
>> > Den fre. 24. aug. 2018 kl. 21:19 skrev Steven Yi <[hidden email]>:
>> >>
>> >> I have a Windows computer where I just did a fresh install of
>> >> dependencies and compiled Csound.  It's using Portaudio and working
>> >> okay.
>> >>
>> >> Oeyvind: Is this a self-compile or are you using one built on
>> >> AppVeyor? (or a release build?)
>> >> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 11:58 AM Victor Lazzarini
>> >> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Looks like a problem with portaudio on your system. MME is the old windows audio subsystem, which would
>> >> > give you high latency.
>> >> > ========================
>> >> > Prof. Victor Lazzarini
>> >> > Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
>> >> > Maynooth University,
>> >> > Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>> >> > Tel: 00 353 7086936
>> >> > Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>> >> >
>> >> > > On 24 Aug 2018, at 12:18, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Actually,
>> >> > > if I use -odac without any rtaudio option, it says
>> >> > > rtaudio: PortAudio module enabled ...
>> >> > > so you are correct,
>> >> > > but I get no sound, and no list if audio devices.
>> >> > > I tried using -odac99 to provoke an error and geet the list of devies that portaudio can access, but nothing appears.
>> >> > > Csound keeps working for the duration of the score, so some kind of realtime processing is going on, but it is a mystery where the sound goes.
>> >> > > If I use -+rtaudio"mme" I get the sound and also the list of audio devices. Just not with portaudio.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Den tor. 23. aug. 2018 kl. 17:54 skrev jpff <[hidden email]>:
>> >> > > Not sure if/when this changed but the default would seem to be PortAudio
>> >> > > except on Linux where it is alsa.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > That is from just reading the code as I set rtaudio in .csiund6rc so do ot
>> >> > > use any default.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Wed, 15 Aug 2018, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > Hi,
>> >> > > > it has been some times since I rendered on the command line, but now it seems
>> >> > > > I need to specify -+rtaudio="mme" to enable audio out to dac. Is this by
>> >> > > > design, or something odd with my system?
>> >> > > > Tested on 6.11, and also on 6.10
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Not really a problem to add this option in my files, but would allow for
>> >> > > > better crossplatform csds if it could be avoided.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > all best
>> >> > > > Oeyvind
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > --
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> >> > > > Professor of Music Technology
>> >> > > > NTNU
>> >> > > > 7491 Trondheim
>> >> > > > Norway
>> >> > > > Cell: +47 92 203 205
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>> >> > > > http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>> >> > > > http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>> >> > > > http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>> >> > > > http://flyndresang.no/
>> >> > > > http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Csound mailing list [hidden email]
>> >> > > > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
>> >> > > > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can
>> >> > > > be posted here
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Csound mailing list
>> >> > > [hidden email]
>> >> > > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> >> > > Send bugs reports to
>> >> > >         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> >> > > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> >> > > Professor of Music Technology
>> >> > > NTNU
>> >> > > 7491 Trondheim
>> >> > > Norway
>> >> > > Cell: +47 92 203 205
>> >> > >
>> >> > > http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>> >> > > http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>> >> > > http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>> >> > > http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>> >> > > http://flyndresang.no/
>> >> > > http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Csound mailing list [hidden email] https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> >> >
>> >> > Csound mailing list
>> >> > [hidden email]
>> >> > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> >> > Send bugs reports to
>> >> >         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> >> > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> >>
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>> >> [hidden email]
>> >> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> >> Send bugs reports to
>> >>         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> > Professor of Music Technology
>> > NTNU
>> > 7491 Trondheim
>> > Norway
>> > Cell: +47 92 203 205
>> >
>> > http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>> > http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>> > http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>> > http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>> > http://flyndresang.no/
>> > http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>> >
>> > Csound mailing list [hidden email] https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>
>> Csound mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> Send bugs reports to
>>         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> Professor of Music Technology
>> NTNU
>> 7491 Trondheim
>> Norway
>> Cell: +47 92 203 205
>>
>> http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>> http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>> http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>> http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>> http://flyndresang.no/
>> http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>> 
>> Csound mailing list [hidden email] https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
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>
>
> --
>
> Oeyvind Brandtsegg
> Professor of Music Technology
> NTNU
> 7491 Trondheim
> Norway
> Cell: +47 92 203 205
>
> http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
> http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
> http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
> http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
> http://flyndresang.no/
> http://soundcloud.com/t-emp

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Re: [Csnd] rtaudio

rorywalsh
Hi Oeyvind. Could you possibly have multiple portaudio dlls in your system? I seen issues before where conflicting versions have caused problems. Here's a link to the dlls I have on my system.


On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 at 17:57, Victor Lazzarini <[hidden email]> wrote:
I am sorry, but I don't know much about windows. The windows people here should be able to help.

Victor Lazzarini
Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
Maynooth University
Ireland

On 4 Dec 2018, at 17:51, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <[hidden email]> wrote:

ok. Thanks. That is good to know.

Is there any way to get any more information about what portaudio fails to do on my system?
Any way of accessing portaudio with some sort of verbose or debug output?

Den tir. 4. des. 2018 kl. 16:14 skrev Victor Lazzarini <[hidden email]>:
No, it’s the way we’ve always done it, all plugins (opcodes, function tables, audio and midi IO) are in the
plugins directory. When Csound runs it looks for that directory and loads them all from there.



========================
Prof. Victor Lazzarini
Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
Maynooth University,
Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
Tel: 00 353 7086936
Fax: 00 353 1 7086952

> On 4 Dec 2018, at 14:14, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Thanks Victor,
> Isn't it odd that rtpa.dll is in the plugins directory then?
> Even if rtpa.dll is technically a plugin, I thought it was only opcode plugins that shoud go in /plugins64
> If I move rtpa.dll to /bin it behaves the same as if I delete it, so it is obviously only being looked for in /plugins64
> I think at some point in the past rtpa.dll used to live in /bin
>
> I would not have a problem with it either way, I just investigate everything that looks odd in this context, to try to poke at why this is not working here.
>
>
> Den man. 3. des. 2018 kl. 22:53 skrev Victor Lazzarini <[hidden email]>:
> rtpa.dll is the csound portaudio plugin
> portaudio_x64.dll is the portaudio library
>
> Unless rtpa.dll is using a static portaudio lib, both files are needed.
>
> Looks like something not right with the portaudio library, maybe an iffy build of
> the library?
>
> Windows devs are needed to check up
> on this.
>
> Victor Lazzarini
> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
> Maynooth University
> Ireland
>
> On 3 Dec 2018, at 20:40, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hm, I am coming back to this as I have not yet been able to solve it.
>> I can not use portaudio for realtime i/o, only mme
>>
>> It appears similar in 6.11 and 6.12.
>> One thing I notice is that rtpa.dll and rtwinmm.dll are located in /plugins64, not it /bin as I would have expected.
>> In /bin there is a portaudio_x64.dll
>>
>> * if I delete the rtpa.dll from /plugins64 and try to run a sime csd with -odac, I get:
>> unknown rtaudio module: 'PortAudio', using dummy module
>> rtaudio: dummy module enabled
>> - this suggests that the portaudio i/o is loaded from /plugins64, and wildly guessing that the portaudio file under /bin does nothing useful?
>>
>> * if I move the rtpa.dll file to /bin I get the same error.
>> Should it really be located in /plugins64? I was under the impression that only plugin opcodes would go there(?).
>>
>> Just trying to poke at why this is not working.
>> I think I can rule out that there is a conflicting version of portaudio somewhere on my system, since portaudio can not be found if I delete the rtpa.dll frpom /plugins64
>>
>> Oeyvind
>>
>> Den lør. 25. aug. 2018 kl. 09:02 skrev Steven Yi <[hidden email]>:
>> 6.10 and 6.11 both were compiled with MSVC rather than MINGW. I'm
>> wondering if you by chance installed over a previous < 6.10 install
>> and if there's some mixing of dll's?
>>
>> One thing to check is what you get when running:
>>
>> csound --devices
>>
>> It could be that the device you are using is not the one you are
>> expecting?  This happens to me when an ASIO device gets selected and
>> ASIO4ALL is set to output to something like "Speakers" which isn't
>> hooked up at the moment.  (That sounds strange, but seems to be what I
>> remember happening.)
>>
>> If that doesn't provide any new information, you could try:
>>
>> 1. Removing csound completely and reinstalling from the 6.11 installer
>> 2. Try using one of the newer develop builds on AppVeyor, such as at:
>>
>> https://ci.appveyor.com/project/csound/csound/build/6.11.1918/artifacts
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 5:42 PM Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi, thanks for looking into it.
>> > I tested with the binary from this link
>> > https://github.com/csound/csound/releases/download/6.11.0/Csound6.11.0-Windows_x64-installer.exe
>> > on
>> > https://csound.com/download.html
>> >
>> >
>> > Den fre. 24. aug. 2018 kl. 21:19 skrev Steven Yi <[hidden email]>:
>> >>
>> >> I have a Windows computer where I just did a fresh install of
>> >> dependencies and compiled Csound.  It's using Portaudio and working
>> >> okay.
>> >>
>> >> Oeyvind: Is this a self-compile or are you using one built on
>> >> AppVeyor? (or a release build?)
>> >> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 11:58 AM Victor Lazzarini
>> >> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Looks like a problem with portaudio on your system. MME is the old windows audio subsystem, which would
>> >> > give you high latency.
>> >> > ========================
>> >> > Prof. Victor Lazzarini
>> >> > Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
>> >> > Maynooth University,
>> >> > Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>> >> > Tel: 00 353 7086936
>> >> > Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>> >> >
>> >> > > On 24 Aug 2018, at 12:18, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Actually,
>> >> > > if I use -odac without any rtaudio option, it says
>> >> > > rtaudio: PortAudio module enabled ...
>> >> > > so you are correct,
>> >> > > but I get no sound, and no list if audio devices.
>> >> > > I tried using -odac99 to provoke an error and geet the list of devies that portaudio can access, but nothing appears.
>> >> > > Csound keeps working for the duration of the score, so some kind of realtime processing is going on, but it is a mystery where the sound goes.
>> >> > > If I use -+rtaudio"mme" I get the sound and also the list of audio devices. Just not with portaudio.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Den tor. 23. aug. 2018 kl. 17:54 skrev jpff <[hidden email]>:
>> >> > > Not sure if/when this changed but the default would seem to be PortAudio
>> >> > > except on Linux where it is alsa.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > That is from just reading the code as I set rtaudio in .csiund6rc so do ot
>> >> > > use any default.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Wed, 15 Aug 2018, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > Hi,
>> >> > > > it has been some times since I rendered on the command line, but now it seems
>> >> > > > I need to specify -+rtaudio="mme" to enable audio out to dac. Is this by
>> >> > > > design, or something odd with my system?
>> >> > > > Tested on 6.11, and also on 6.10
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Not really a problem to add this option in my files, but would allow for
>> >> > > > better crossplatform csds if it could be avoided.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > all best
>> >> > > > Oeyvind
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > --
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> >> > > > Professor of Music Technology
>> >> > > > NTNU
>> >> > > > 7491 Trondheim
>> >> > > > Norway
>> >> > > > Cell: +47 92 203 205
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>> >> > > > http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>> >> > > > http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>> >> > > > http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>> >> > > > http://flyndresang.no/
>> >> > > > http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Csound mailing list [hidden email]
>> >> > > > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
>> >> > > > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can
>> >> > > > be posted here
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Csound mailing list
>> >> > > [hidden email]
>> >> > > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> >> > > Send bugs reports to
>> >> > >         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> >> > > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> >> > > Professor of Music Technology
>> >> > > NTNU
>> >> > > 7491 Trondheim
>> >> > > Norway
>> >> > > Cell: +47 92 203 205
>> >> > >
>> >> > > http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>> >> > > http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>> >> > > http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>> >> > > http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>> >> > > http://flyndresang.no/
>> >> > > http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Csound mailing list [hidden email] https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> >> >
>> >> > Csound mailing list
>> >> > [hidden email]
>> >> > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> >> > Send bugs reports to
>> >> >         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> >> > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> >>
>> >> Csound mailing list
>> >> [hidden email]
>> >> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> >> Send bugs reports to
>> >>         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> > Professor of Music Technology
>> > NTNU
>> > 7491 Trondheim
>> > Norway
>> > Cell: +47 92 203 205
>> >
>> > http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>> > http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>> > http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>> > http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>> > http://flyndresang.no/
>> > http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>> >
>> > Csound mailing list [hidden email] https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>
>> Csound mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> Send bugs reports to
>>         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> Professor of Music Technology
>> NTNU
>> 7491 Trondheim
>> Norway
>> Cell: +47 92 203 205
>>
>> http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>> http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>> http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>> http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>> http://flyndresang.no/
>> http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>> 
>> Csound mailing list [hidden email] https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> Csound mailing list [hidden email] https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>
>
> --
>
> Oeyvind Brandtsegg
> Professor of Music Technology
> NTNU
> 7491 Trondheim
> Norway
> Cell: +47 92 203 205
>
> http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
> http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
> http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
> http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
> http://flyndresang.no/
> http://soundcloud.com/t-emp

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Re: [Csnd] rtaudio

Oeyvind Brandtsegg-3
Thanks Rory,
The dlls you have are identical to mine, and also the Csound version is the same (I was confused at first because it is called version 6.12 beta).

I do not think I have conflicting versions, because I get errors if I try to delete either rtpa.dll or portaudio_x64.dll.
For example, if I delete rtpa.dll and run a simple csd with -odac, I get
unknown rtaudio module: 'PortAudio', using dummy module

With rtpa.dll in place, I get 
rtaudio: PortAudio module enabled ...

but no sound out, and no device listing, no effect out of changing the device number, e.g. -odac99 gives the same result as plain -odac
Csound will seem to be working on something for a few (5-ish) seconds, and then just return.
There are the last lines printed
orch now loaded
audio buffered in 4096 sample-frame blocks




Den tir. 4. des. 2018 kl. 19:47 skrev Rory Walsh <[hidden email]>:
Hi Oeyvind. Could you possibly have multiple portaudio dlls in your system? I seen issues before where conflicting versions have caused problems. Here's a link to the dlls I have on my system.


On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 at 17:57, Victor Lazzarini <[hidden email]> wrote:
I am sorry, but I don't know much about windows. The windows people here should be able to help.

Victor Lazzarini
Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
Maynooth University
Ireland

On 4 Dec 2018, at 17:51, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <[hidden email]> wrote:

ok. Thanks. That is good to know.

Is there any way to get any more information about what portaudio fails to do on my system?
Any way of accessing portaudio with some sort of verbose or debug output?

Den tir. 4. des. 2018 kl. 16:14 skrev Victor Lazzarini <[hidden email]>:
No, it’s the way we’ve always done it, all plugins (opcodes, function tables, audio and midi IO) are in the
plugins directory. When Csound runs it looks for that directory and loads them all from there.



========================
Prof. Victor Lazzarini
Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
Maynooth University,
Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
Tel: 00 353 7086936
Fax: 00 353 1 7086952

> On 4 Dec 2018, at 14:14, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Thanks Victor,
> Isn't it odd that rtpa.dll is in the plugins directory then?
> Even if rtpa.dll is technically a plugin, I thought it was only opcode plugins that shoud go in /plugins64
> If I move rtpa.dll to /bin it behaves the same as if I delete it, so it is obviously only being looked for in /plugins64
> I think at some point in the past rtpa.dll used to live in /bin
>
> I would not have a problem with it either way, I just investigate everything that looks odd in this context, to try to poke at why this is not working here.
>
>
> Den man. 3. des. 2018 kl. 22:53 skrev Victor Lazzarini <[hidden email]>:
> rtpa.dll is the csound portaudio plugin
> portaudio_x64.dll is the portaudio library
>
> Unless rtpa.dll is using a static portaudio lib, both files are needed.
>
> Looks like something not right with the portaudio library, maybe an iffy build of
> the library?
>
> Windows devs are needed to check up
> on this.
>
> Victor Lazzarini
> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
> Maynooth University
> Ireland
>
> On 3 Dec 2018, at 20:40, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hm, I am coming back to this as I have not yet been able to solve it.
>> I can not use portaudio for realtime i/o, only mme
>>
>> It appears similar in 6.11 and 6.12.
>> One thing I notice is that rtpa.dll and rtwinmm.dll are located in /plugins64, not it /bin as I would have expected.
>> In /bin there is a portaudio_x64.dll
>>
>> * if I delete the rtpa.dll from /plugins64 and try to run a sime csd with -odac, I get:
>> unknown rtaudio module: 'PortAudio', using dummy module
>> rtaudio: dummy module enabled
>> - this suggests that the portaudio i/o is loaded from /plugins64, and wildly guessing that the portaudio file under /bin does nothing useful?
>>
>> * if I move the rtpa.dll file to /bin I get the same error.
>> Should it really be located in /plugins64? I was under the impression that only plugin opcodes would go there(?).
>>
>> Just trying to poke at why this is not working.
>> I think I can rule out that there is a conflicting version of portaudio somewhere on my system, since portaudio can not be found if I delete the rtpa.dll frpom /plugins64
>>
>> Oeyvind
>>
>> Den lør. 25. aug. 2018 kl. 09:02 skrev Steven Yi <[hidden email]>:
>> 6.10 and 6.11 both were compiled with MSVC rather than MINGW. I'm
>> wondering if you by chance installed over a previous < 6.10 install
>> and if there's some mixing of dll's?
>>
>> One thing to check is what you get when running:
>>
>> csound --devices
>>
>> It could be that the device you are using is not the one you are
>> expecting?  This happens to me when an ASIO device gets selected and
>> ASIO4ALL is set to output to something like "Speakers" which isn't
>> hooked up at the moment.  (That sounds strange, but seems to be what I
>> remember happening.)
>>
>> If that doesn't provide any new information, you could try:
>>
>> 1. Removing csound completely and reinstalling from the 6.11 installer
>> 2. Try using one of the newer develop builds on AppVeyor, such as at:
>>
>> https://ci.appveyor.com/project/csound/csound/build/6.11.1918/artifacts
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 5:42 PM Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi, thanks for looking into it.
>> > I tested with the binary from this link
>> > https://github.com/csound/csound/releases/download/6.11.0/Csound6.11.0-Windows_x64-installer.exe
>> > on
>> > https://csound.com/download.html
>> >
>> >
>> > Den fre. 24. aug. 2018 kl. 21:19 skrev Steven Yi <[hidden email]>:
>> >>
>> >> I have a Windows computer where I just did a fresh install of
>> >> dependencies and compiled Csound.  It's using Portaudio and working
>> >> okay.
>> >>
>> >> Oeyvind: Is this a self-compile or are you using one built on
>> >> AppVeyor? (or a release build?)
>> >> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 11:58 AM Victor Lazzarini
>> >> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Looks like a problem with portaudio on your system. MME is the old windows audio subsystem, which would
>> >> > give you high latency.
>> >> > ========================
>> >> > Prof. Victor Lazzarini
>> >> > Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
>> >> > Maynooth University,
>> >> > Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>> >> > Tel: 00 353 7086936
>> >> > Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>> >> >
>> >> > > On 24 Aug 2018, at 12:18, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Actually,
>> >> > > if I use -odac without any rtaudio option, it says
>> >> > > rtaudio: PortAudio module enabled ...
>> >> > > so you are correct,
>> >> > > but I get no sound, and no list if audio devices.
>> >> > > I tried using -odac99 to provoke an error and geet the list of devies that portaudio can access, but nothing appears.
>> >> > > Csound keeps working for the duration of the score, so some kind of realtime processing is going on, but it is a mystery where the sound goes.
>> >> > > If I use -+rtaudio"mme" I get the sound and also the list of audio devices. Just not with portaudio.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Den tor. 23. aug. 2018 kl. 17:54 skrev jpff <[hidden email]>:
>> >> > > Not sure if/when this changed but the default would seem to be PortAudio
>> >> > > except on Linux where it is alsa.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > That is from just reading the code as I set rtaudio in .csiund6rc so do ot
>> >> > > use any default.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Wed, 15 Aug 2018, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > Hi,
>> >> > > > it has been some times since I rendered on the command line, but now it seems
>> >> > > > I need to specify -+rtaudio="mme" to enable audio out to dac. Is this by
>> >> > > > design, or something odd with my system?
>> >> > > > Tested on 6.11, and also on 6.10
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Not really a problem to add this option in my files, but would allow for
>> >> > > > better crossplatform csds if it could be avoided.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > all best
>> >> > > > Oeyvind
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > --
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> >> > > > Professor of Music Technology
>> >> > > > NTNU
>> >> > > > 7491 Trondheim
>> >> > > > Norway
>> >> > > > Cell: +47 92 203 205
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>> >> > > > http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>> >> > > > http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>> >> > > > http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>> >> > > > http://flyndresang.no/
>> >> > > > http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Csound mailing list [hidden email]
>> >> > > > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
>> >> > > > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can
>> >> > > > be posted here
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Csound mailing list
>> >> > > [hidden email]
>> >> > > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> >> > > Send bugs reports to
>> >> > >         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> >> > > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> >> > > Professor of Music Technology
>> >> > > NTNU
>> >> > > 7491 Trondheim
>> >> > > Norway
>> >> > > Cell: +47 92 203 205
>> >> > >
>> >> > > http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>> >> > > http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>> >> > > http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>> >> > > http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>> >> > > http://flyndresang.no/
>> >> > > http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Csound mailing list [hidden email] https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> >> >
>> >> > Csound mailing list
>> >> > [hidden email]
>> >> > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> >> > Send bugs reports to
>> >> >         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> >> > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> >>
>> >> Csound mailing list
>> >> [hidden email]
>> >> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> >> Send bugs reports to
>> >>         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> > Professor of Music Technology
>> > NTNU
>> > 7491 Trondheim
>> > Norway
>> > Cell: +47 92 203 205
>> >
>> > http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>> > http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>> > http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>> > http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>> > http://flyndresang.no/
>> > http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>> >
>> > Csound mailing list [hidden email] https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>
>> Csound mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> Send bugs reports to
>>         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> Professor of Music Technology
>> NTNU
>> 7491 Trondheim
>> Norway
>> Cell: +47 92 203 205
>>
>> http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>> http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>> http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>> http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>> http://flyndresang.no/
>> http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>> 
>> Csound mailing list [hidden email] https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
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>
>
> --
>
> Oeyvind Brandtsegg
> Professor of Music Technology
> NTNU
> 7491 Trondheim
> Norway
> Cell: +47 92 203 205
>
> http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
> http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
> http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
> http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
> http://flyndresang.no/
> http://soundcloud.com/t-emp

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Re: [Csnd] rtaudio

jpff
This may not be relevant but ....
If you run with -v option do you get any further output?

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On Dec 4, 2018, 22:14, at 22:14, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <[hidden email]> wrote:

>Thanks Rory,
>The dlls you have are identical to mine, and also the Csound version is
>the
>same (I was confused at first because it is called version 6.12 beta).
>
>I do not think I have conflicting versions, because I get errors if I
>try
>to delete either rtpa.dll or portaudio_x64.dll.
>For example, if I delete rtpa.dll and run a simple csd with -odac, I
>get
>unknown rtaudio module: 'PortAudio', using dummy module
>
>With rtpa.dll in place, I get
>rtaudio: PortAudio module enabled ...
>
>but no sound out, and no device listing, no effect out of changing the
>device number, e.g. -odac99 gives the same result as plain -odac
>Csound will seem to be working on something for a few (5-ish) seconds,
>and
>then just return.
>There are the last lines printed
>orch now loaded
>audio buffered in 4096 sample-frame blocks
>
>
>
>
>Den tir. 4. des. 2018 kl. 19:47 skrev Rory Walsh <[hidden email]>:
>
>> Hi Oeyvind. Could you possibly have multiple portaudio dlls in your
>> system? I seen issues before where conflicting versions have caused
>> problems. Here's a link to the dlls I have on my system.
>>
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/dxkxhohwspmqbeg/dlls.zip?dl=0
>>
>> On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 at 17:57, Victor Lazzarini
><[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am sorry, but I don't know much about windows. The windows people
>here
>>> should be able to help.
>>>
>>> Victor Lazzarini
>>> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
>>> Maynooth University
>>> Ireland
>>>
>>> On 4 Dec 2018, at 17:51, Oeyvind Brandtsegg
><[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ok. Thanks. That is good to know.
>>>
>>> Is there any way to get any more information about what portaudio
>fails
>>> to do on my system?
>>> Any way of accessing portaudio with some sort of verbose or debug
>output?
>>>
>>> Den tir. 4. des. 2018 kl. 16:14 skrev Victor Lazzarini <
>>> [hidden email]>:
>>>
>>>> No, it’s the way we’ve always done it, all plugins (opcodes,
>function
>>>> tables, audio and midi IO) are in the
>>>> plugins directory. When Csound runs it looks for that directory and
>>>> loads them all from there.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ========================
>>>> Prof. Victor Lazzarini
>>>> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
>>>> Maynooth University,
>>>> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>>>> Tel: 00 353 7086936
>>>> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>>>>
>>>> > On 4 Dec 2018, at 14:14, Oeyvind Brandtsegg
><[hidden email]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks Victor,
>>>> > Isn't it odd that rtpa.dll is in the plugins directory then?
>>>> > Even if rtpa.dll is technically a plugin, I thought it was only
>opcode
>>>> plugins that shoud go in /plugins64
>>>> > If I move rtpa.dll to /bin it behaves the same as if I delete it,
>so
>>>> it is obviously only being looked for in /plugins64
>>>> > I think at some point in the past rtpa.dll used to live in /bin
>>>> >
>>>> > I would not have a problem with it either way, I just investigate
>>>> everything that looks odd in this context, to try to poke at why
>this is
>>>> not working here.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Den man. 3. des. 2018 kl. 22:53 skrev Victor Lazzarini <
>>>> [hidden email]>:
>>>> > rtpa.dll is the csound portaudio plugin
>>>> > portaudio_x64.dll is the portaudio library
>>>> >
>>>> > Unless rtpa.dll is using a static portaudio lib, both files are
>needed.
>>>> >
>>>> > Looks like something not right with the portaudio library, maybe
>an
>>>> iffy build of
>>>> > the library?
>>>> >
>>>> > Windows devs are needed to check up
>>>> > on this.
>>>> >
>>>> > Victor Lazzarini
>>>> > Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
>>>> > Maynooth University
>>>> > Ireland
>>>> >
>>>> > On 3 Dec 2018, at 20:40, Oeyvind Brandtsegg
><[hidden email]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Hm, I am coming back to this as I have not yet been able to
>solve it.
>>>> >> I can not use portaudio for realtime i/o, only mme
>>>> >>
>>>> >> It appears similar in 6.11 and 6.12.
>>>> >> One thing I notice is that rtpa.dll and rtwinmm.dll are located
>in
>>>> /plugins64, not it /bin as I would have expected.
>>>> >> In /bin there is a portaudio_x64.dll
>>>> >>
>>>> >> * if I delete the rtpa.dll from /plugins64 and try to run a sime
>csd
>>>> with -odac, I get:
>>>> >> unknown rtaudio module: 'PortAudio', using dummy module
>>>> >> rtaudio: dummy module enabled
>>>> >> - this suggests that the portaudio i/o is loaded from
>/plugins64, and
>>>> wildly guessing that the portaudio file under /bin does nothing
>useful?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> * if I move the rtpa.dll file to /bin I get the same error.
>>>> >> Should it really be located in /plugins64? I was under the
>impression
>>>> that only plugin opcodes would go there(?).
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Just trying to poke at why this is not working.
>>>> >> I think I can rule out that there is a conflicting version of
>>>> portaudio somewhere on my system, since portaudio can not be found
>if I
>>>> delete the rtpa.dll frpom /plugins64
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Oeyvind
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Den lør. 25. aug. 2018 kl. 09:02 skrev Steven Yi
><[hidden email]
>>>> >:
>>>> >> 6.10 and 6.11 both were compiled with MSVC rather than MINGW.
>I'm
>>>> >> wondering if you by chance installed over a previous < 6.10
>install
>>>> >> and if there's some mixing of dll's?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> One thing to check is what you get when running:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> csound --devices
>>>> >>
>>>> >> It could be that the device you are using is not the one you are
>>>> >> expecting?  This happens to me when an ASIO device gets selected
>and
>>>> >> ASIO4ALL is set to output to something like "Speakers" which
>isn't
>>>> >> hooked up at the moment.  (That sounds strange, but seems to be
>what I
>>>> >> remember happening.)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> If that doesn't provide any new information, you could try:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 1. Removing csound completely and reinstalling from the 6.11
>installer
>>>> >> 2. Try using one of the newer develop builds on AppVeyor, such
>as at:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>>
>https://ci.appveyor.com/project/csound/csound/build/6.11.1918/artifacts
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 5:42 PM Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>>>> >> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Hi, thanks for looking into it.
>>>> >> > I tested with the binary from this link
>>>> >> >
>>>>
>https://github.com/csound/csound/releases/download/6.11.0/Csound6.11.0-Windows_x64-installer.exe
>>>> >> > on
>>>> >> > https://csound.com/download.html
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Den fre. 24. aug. 2018 kl. 21:19 skrev Steven Yi <
>>>> [hidden email]>:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> I have a Windows computer where I just did a fresh install of
>>>> >> >> dependencies and compiled Csound.  It's using Portaudio and
>working
>>>> >> >> okay.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Oeyvind: Is this a self-compile or are you using one built on
>>>> >> >> AppVeyor? (or a release build?)
>>>> >> >> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 11:58 AM Victor Lazzarini
>>>> >> >> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > Looks like a problem with portaudio on your system. MME is
>the
>>>> old windows audio subsystem, which would
>>>> >> >> > give you high latency.
>>>> >> >> > ========================
>>>> >> >> > Prof. Victor Lazzarini
>>>> >> >> > Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
>>>> >> >> > Maynooth University,
>>>> >> >> > Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>>>> >> >> > Tel: 00 353 7086936
>>>> >> >> > Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > > On 24 Aug 2018, at 12:18, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <
>>>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >> > > Actually,
>>>> >> >> > > if I use -odac without any rtaudio option, it says
>>>> >> >> > > rtaudio: PortAudio module enabled ...
>>>> >> >> > > so you are correct,
>>>> >> >> > > but I get no sound, and no list if audio devices.
>>>> >> >> > > I tried using -odac99 to provoke an error and geet the
>list of
>>>> devies that portaudio can access, but nothing appears.
>>>> >> >> > > Csound keeps working for the duration of the score, so
>some
>>>> kind of realtime processing is going on, but it is a mystery where
>the
>>>> sound goes.
>>>> >> >> > > If I use -+rtaudio"mme" I get the sound and also the list
>of
>>>> audio devices. Just not with portaudio.
>>>> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >> > > Den tor. 23. aug. 2018 kl. 17:54 skrev jpff <
>>>> [hidden email]>:
>>>> >> >> > > Not sure if/when this changed but the default would seem
>to be
>>>> PortAudio
>>>> >> >> > > except on Linux where it is alsa.
>>>> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >> > > That is from just reading the code as I set rtaudio in
>>>> .csiund6rc so do ot
>>>> >> >> > > use any default.
>>>> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >> > > On Wed, 15 Aug 2018, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote:
>>>> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >> > > > Hi,
>>>> >> >> > > > it has been some times since I rendered on the command
>line,
>>>> but now it seems
>>>> >> >> > > > I need to specify -+rtaudio="mme" to enable audio out
>to
>>>> dac. Is this by
>>>> >> >> > > > design, or something odd with my system?
>>>> >> >> > > > Tested on 6.11, and also on 6.10
>>>> >> >> > > >
>>>> >> >> > > > Not really a problem to add this option in my files,
>but
>>>> would allow for
>>>> >> >> > > > better crossplatform csds if it could be avoided.
>>>> >> >> > > >
>>>> >> >> > > > all best
>>>> >> >> > > > Oeyvind
>>>> >> >> > > >
>>>> >> >> > > > --
>>>> >> >> > > >
>>>> >> >> > > > Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>>>> >> >> > > > Professor of Music Technology
>>>> >> >> > > > NTNU
>>>> >> >> > > > 7491 Trondheim
>>>> >> >> > > > Norway
>>>> >> >> > > > Cell: +47 92 203 205
>>>> >> >> > > >
>>>> >> >> > > > http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>>>> >> >> > > > http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>>>> >> >> > > > http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>>>> >> >> > > > http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>>>> >> >> > > > http://flyndresang.no/
>>>> >> >> > > > http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>>>> >> >> > > >
>>>> >> >> > > > Csound mailing list [hidden email]
>>>> >> >> > > > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send
>bugs
>>>> reports to
>>>> >> >> > > > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of
>bugs
>>>> and features can
>>>> >> >> > > > be posted here
>>>> >> >> > > >
>>>> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >> > > Csound mailing list
>>>> >> >> > > [hidden email]
>>>> >> >> > > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>> >> >> > > Send bugs reports to
>>>> >> >> > >         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>> >> >> > > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >> > > --
>>>> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >> > > Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>>>> >> >> > > Professor of Music Technology
>>>> >> >> > > NTNU
>>>> >> >> > > 7491 Trondheim
>>>> >> >> > > Norway
>>>> >> >> > > Cell: +47 92 203 205
>>>> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >> > > http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>>>> >> >> > > http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>>>> >> >> > > http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>>>> >> >> > > http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>>>> >> >> > > http://flyndresang.no/
>>>> >> >> > > http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>>>> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >> > > Csound mailing list [hidden email]
>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports
>to
>>>> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and
>>>> features can be posted here
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > Csound mailing list
>>>> >> >> > [hidden email]
>>>> >> >> > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>> >> >> > Send bugs reports to
>>>> >> >> >         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>> >> >> > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Csound mailing list
>>>> >> >> [hidden email]
>>>> >> >> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>> >> >> Send bugs reports to
>>>> >> >>         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>> >> >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > --
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>>>> >> > Professor of Music Technology
>>>> >> > NTNU
>>>> >> > 7491 Trondheim
>>>> >> > Norway
>>>> >> > Cell: +47 92 203 205
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>>>> >> > http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>>>> >> > http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>>>> >> > http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>>>> >> > http://flyndresang.no/
>>>> >> > http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Csound mailing list [hidden email]
>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports
>to
>>>> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and
>>>> features can be posted here
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Csound mailing list
>>>> >> [hidden email]
>>>> >> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>> >> Send bugs reports to
>>>> >>         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>> >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>>>> >> Professor of Music Technology
>>>> >> NTNU
>>>> >> 7491 Trondheim
>>>> >> Norway
>>>> >> Cell: +47 92 203 205
>>>> >>
>>>> >> http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>>>> >> http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>>>> >> http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>>>> >> http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>>>> >> http://flyndresang.no/
>>>> >> http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Csound mailing list [hidden email]
>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports
>to
>>>> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and
>>>> features can be posted here
>>>> > Csound mailing list [hidden email]
>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports
>to
>>>> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and
>>>> features can be posted here
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> >
>>>> > Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>>>> > Professor of Music Technology
>>>> > NTNU
>>>> > 7491 Trondheim
>>>> > Norway
>>>> > Cell: +47 92 203 205
>>>> >
>>>> > http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>>>> > http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>>>> > http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>>>> > http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>>>> > http://flyndresang.no/
>>>> > http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>>>> >
>>>> > Csound mailing list [hidden email]
>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports
>to
>>>> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and
>>>> features can be posted here
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Csound mailing list
>>>> [hidden email]
>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>>         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>>> Professor of Music Technology
>>> NTNU
>>> 7491 Trondheim
>>> Norway
>>> Cell: +47 92 203 205
>>>
>>> http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>>> http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>>> http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>>> http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>>> http://flyndresang.no/
>>> http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>>>
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