[Csnd-dev] [OT] Blatant capitalism?

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[Csnd-dev] [OT] Blatant capitalism?

genell
Dear devs!

A relatively long time ago there was a discussion about implementing a similar iOS app as the basic android Csound app that Michael Gogins made available in the Google Play store. The fact that Apple charges a ridiculous sum just to be able to put apps on the AppStore basically put a stop to the idea. Later there was an iPad app and more recently Luis Felipe Vieira Damiani created RunloopSound for iPhone so the need is not as severe.

I was reminded about this issue when Rory offered to develop a plugin for the Roli Lightpad Blocks controllers if someone would just buy him the hardware to test on.

Many open source projects are open for donations e.g. via PayPal to support the developers, and I was thinking that perhaps there would be use for something similar for the Csound developer community? My idea is that if someone needs access to hardware, software, litterature etc. he or she could apply for reimbursement from whatever funds are available from donations from the community. There could perhaps be some online polling system to decide who is the most worthy recipient - maybe connected to github accounts so people doesn't vote more than once.

I realize this might somewhat go against the ideals of the free software community, and maybe it will be more trouble than it's worth, so please feel free to completely reject anything mentioned in this email :-)

Regards,
Anders
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Re: [Csnd-dev] [OT] Blatant capitalism?

Dave Seidel
Just a comment: there's no conflict philosophically between free software (which is free to users) and getting paid as a developer.

On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Anders Genell <[hidden email]> wrote:
Dear devs!

A relatively long time ago there was a discussion about implementing a similar iOS app as the basic android Csound app that Michael Gogins made available in the Google Play store. The fact that Apple charges a ridiculous sum just to be able to put apps on the AppStore basically put a stop to the idea. Later there was an iPad app and more recently Luis Felipe Vieira Damiani created RunloopSound for iPhone so the need is not as severe.

I was reminded about this issue when Rory offered to develop a plugin for the Roli Lightpad Blocks controllers if someone would just buy him the hardware to test on.

Many open source projects are open for donations e.g. via PayPal to support the developers, and I was thinking that perhaps there would be use for something similar for the Csound developer community? My idea is that if someone needs access to hardware, software, litterature etc. he or she could apply for reimbursement from whatever funds are available from donations from the community. There could perhaps be some online polling system to decide who is the most worthy recipient - maybe connected to github accounts so people doesn't vote more than once.

I realize this might somewhat go against the ideals of the free software community, and maybe it will be more trouble than it's worth, so please feel free to completely reject anything mentioned in this email :-)

Regards,
Anders



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Re: [Csnd-dev] [OT] Blatant capitalism?

Oeyvind Brandtsegg-3
Thanks for bringing this up Anders,
some of us talked loosely about this also back at at the Csound conference in St.Petersburg.
I fully agree with the idea and the incentive. It would be good to have a way of pooling contributions and channeling resources to those who can help our futher development. In addition to money or resources for dev work, we could also envision support for less-funded persons (not necessarily only devs) to travel to Csound conferences, or do productions or research, and.. and.. and...

I did some investigations on the possibility of making a "Csound foundation" or something similar. It seems to me we would need some sort of formal/financial entity/organization to be able to collect funds and hold them until they are to be used. The formalities regarding registering a foundation was a bit more complex than I had hoped, and there seems to be a substantial cost of running/maintaining the formal entity with regrds to tax authorities etc. I did not record all details I found about this, so don't take my word that it actually needs to be *that* difficult. Also, perhaps others in the community has better ideas on how this could be organized. So, yes, please, brainstorm welcome!


2017-04-06 11:13 GMT-07:00 Dave Seidel <[hidden email]>:
Just a comment: there's no conflict philosophically between free software (which is free to users) and getting paid as a developer.

On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Anders Genell <[hidden email]> wrote:
Dear devs!

A relatively long time ago there was a discussion about implementing a similar iOS app as the basic android Csound app that Michael Gogins made available in the Google Play store. The fact that Apple charges a ridiculous sum just to be able to put apps on the AppStore basically put a stop to the idea. Later there was an iPad app and more recently Luis Felipe Vieira Damiani created RunloopSound for iPhone so the need is not as severe.

I was reminded about this issue when Rory offered to develop a plugin for the Roli Lightpad Blocks controllers if someone would just buy him the hardware to test on.

Many open source projects are open for donations e.g. via PayPal to support the developers, and I was thinking that perhaps there would be use for something similar for the Csound developer community? My idea is that if someone needs access to hardware, software, litterature etc. he or she could apply for reimbursement from whatever funds are available from donations from the community. There could perhaps be some online polling system to decide who is the most worthy recipient - maybe connected to github accounts so people doesn't vote more than once.

I realize this might somewhat go against the ideals of the free software community, and maybe it will be more trouble than it's worth, so please feel free to completely reject anything mentioned in this email :-)

Regards,
Anders



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Re: [Csnd-dev] [OT] Blatant capitalism?

Pete G.
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Haiku -- the open-source OS that I'm rather involved with -- has a scheme of that
sort operating.  There is actually a slightly separate "Haiku, Inc." to handle this.
This entity *only* handles donations and the assignment of contracts (and perhaps
any other legal stuff that might have to be dealt with).  It has no say in the direction
that Haiku takes, but in the past has provided funds for developers to work essentially
full time on parts of the system that need effort.  I think most of the results have
been quite significant.

        -- Pete --

On Thu, Apr 06, 2017 at 07:59:10PM +0200, Anders Genell wrote:

> Dear devs!
>
> A relatively long time ago there was a discussion about implementing a similar iOS app as the basic android Csound app that Michael Gogins made available in the Google Play store. The fact that Apple charges a ridiculous sum just to be able to put apps on the AppStore basically put a stop to the idea. Later there was an iPad app and more recently Luis Felipe Vieira Damiani created RunloopSound for iPhone so the need is not as severe.
>
> I was reminded about this issue when Rory offered to develop a plugin for the Roli Lightpad Blocks controllers if someone would just buy him the hardware to test on.
>
> Many open source projects are open for donations e.g. via PayPal to support the developers, and I was thinking that perhaps there would be use for something similar for the Csound developer community? My idea is that if someone needs access to hardware, software, litterature etc. he or she could apply for reimbursement from whatever funds are available from donations from the community. There could perhaps be some online polling system to decide who is the most worthy recipient - maybe connected to github accounts so people doesn't vote more than once.
>
> I realize this might somewhat go against the ideals of the free software community, and maybe it will be more trouble than it's worth, so please feel free to completely reject anything mentioned in this email :-)
>
> Regards,
> Anders
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Re: [Csnd-dev] [OT] Blatant capitalism?

Victor Lazzarini
One worry I have is that we have not been able to recruit developers. The same group (minus István and Andrés) who worked on
Csound 5 has not been augmented. I had hoped that others would have joined us, specially since collaborating on github is
so much easier. I appreciate that there is a lot of people helping out with the wider aspects of the project, but it would have been
good to have more people working on the core software.

Being able to fund researchers is a good way of moving the software forward. We have benefitted greatly from the time,
for instance, that Steven was able to dedicate to it while he was funded in Maynooth. My hope is that at some point I’d be
able to put in a bid for a large Csound-related project that could hire a team to work on it for a number of years.

Before then, it would be good to get more people working on the software as volunteers.
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Prof. Victor Lazzarini
Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
Maynooth University,
Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
Tel: 00 353 7086936
Fax: 00 353 1 7086952

> On 6 Apr 2017, at 19:49, [hidden email] wrote:
>
> Haiku -- the open-source OS that I'm rather involved with -- has a scheme of that
> sort operating.  There is actually a slightly separate "Haiku, Inc." to handle this.
> This entity *only* handles donations and the assignment of contracts (and perhaps
> any other legal stuff that might have to be dealt with).  It has no say in the direction
> that Haiku takes, but in the past has provided funds for developers to work essentially
> full time on parts of the system that need effort.  I think most of the results have
> been quite significant.
>
> -- Pete --
>
> On Thu, Apr 06, 2017 at 07:59:10PM +0200, Anders Genell wrote:
>> Dear devs!
>>
>> A relatively long time ago there was a discussion about implementing a similar iOS app as the basic android Csound app that Michael Gogins made available in the Google Play store. The fact that Apple charges a ridiculous sum just to be able to put apps on the AppStore basically put a stop to the idea. Later there was an iPad app and more recently Luis Felipe Vieira Damiani created RunloopSound for iPhone so the need is not as severe.
>>
>> I was reminded about this issue when Rory offered to develop a plugin for the Roli Lightpad Blocks controllers if someone would just buy him the hardware to test on.
>>
>> Many open source projects are open for donations e.g. via PayPal to support the developers, and I was thinking that perhaps there would be use for something similar for the Csound developer community? My idea is that if someone needs access to hardware, software, litterature etc. he or she could apply for reimbursement from whatever funds are available from donations from the community. There could perhaps be some online polling system to decide who is the most worthy recipient - maybe connected to github accounts so people doesn't vote more than once.
>>
>> I realize this might somewhat go against the ideals of the free software community, and maybe it will be more trouble than it's worth, so please feel free to completely reject anything mentioned in this email :-)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Anders